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Apple Pay and the rise of the five-party network

25 pointsby npratinialmost 8 years ago

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runeksalmost 8 years ago
A centralized payment system will never be able to provide the best service for users. With a single entity in control -- as opposed to an open system where newcomers can enter and compete with incumbents -- there are no competitors, and competitors are responsible for pushing down fees and adding innovation, thus forcing incumbents to follow along or fade away. That&#x27;s why the web is so successful: competition is built in through an open protocol, so competitors can replace incumbents by providing a better service&#x2F;price.<p>With the iPod and iTunes, and the iPhone and the App Store, Apple created something that didn&#x27;t exist before, and captured most of the newly created market. Replicating VISA&#x27;s business model doesn&#x27;t do the same, but simply adds a couple of features to an otherwise closed system where users will not benefit from competition.<p>An actual alternative to VISA needs to be open, allowing for competitors to easily enter and compete with existing actors. Such a system is the Stroem protocol on top of Bitcoin, which is a thin clearing protocol designed for competition, constantly forcing issuers to follow along on price or be left behind. This is what merchants want, and what&#x27;s needed to revolutionize payments.
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needusernamealmost 8 years ago
Does anybody know how Apple Pay peer-to-peer actually works? I find all the information I can on the web disappointingly light. The same thing was true for the original Apple Pay which lead to myths like Apple Pay using a new PAN every time out pay.<p>&gt; Bank transfers will be handled separately.<p>When are bank transfers used and for what? For unloading? If so do you have to unload via bank transfer or can you use a CFT transaction? I can&#x27;t imagine a case where you want to unload using an ACH or SWIFT transaction. I would image you always want to use a domestic settlement system or T2 if you can.<p>&gt; Apple Pay Cash’s back-end is powered by a Green Dot-backed Visa prepaid card<p>Only in the US or globally? I imagine there is a lot of fine print associated with that like the amount of funds you can store. I will get a tax statement even if I live outside the US, right?
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