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The Contrast Rebellion

86 pointsby janshoalmost 8 years ago

21 comments

a3nalmost 8 years ago
&gt; When making the contrast of the text lower and lower... designers need to think of<p>&gt; elderly users with bad vision<p>&gt; low quality monitors<p>&gt; bad lighting and glare<p>&gt; reading on tiny screens<p>And easily pissed off curmudgeons like myself. I immediately hit &quot;No Styles&quot; at the slightest visual irritation; low contrast is the most common. I&#x27;ll do this many times in a day, with a satisfied, grumbled &quot;harumph.&quot;<p>I suppose that I, a mere reader&#x2F;user, am at the end of the line of stakeholders, with the purchasing&#x2F;contracting manager at the front, and I suppose &quot;oooh&quot; helps get a lot of contracts signed. So good for you, I wish you well, and it&#x27;s easy enough to erase all your hard work and go directly to 1992 black text on white with obvious blue&#x2F;purple links.<p>You can do this in Firefox as: View&#x2F;Page Style&#x2F;No Style.<p>My favorite Firefox addon, making it one click: Disable Style Button <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;disable-style-button&#x2F;?src=search" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;disable-style...</a><p>I enjoy a nicely styled, pleasant site, but I only read about 80% of them as-is.
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kbutleralmost 8 years ago
It&#x27;s a pretty common design meme to &quot;not use pure black&quot; (e.g., <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ianstormtaylor.com&#x2F;design-tip-never-use-black&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ianstormtaylor.com&#x2F;design-tip-never-use-black&#x2F;</a>) or &quot;not use pure white&quot;.<p>What these designers appear not to realize, is that you are going to be viewing these designs on a light-emitting device, or at least a light-reflecting surface. None of these can actually produce a &quot;pure black&quot; (which would be no light at all) or &quot;pure white&quot;. Even NASA only gets close: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;topics&#x2F;technology&#x2F;features&#x2F;super-black-material.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;topics&#x2F;technology&#x2F;features&#x2F;super-black-...</a><p>So designers can say that #000 is too dark, or that #fff is too light, but calling them pure black or pure white, is just inaccurate.
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chris_stalmost 8 years ago
Man, I wish presenters at conferences would learn this.<p>Really, just that they&#x27;d learn that the contrast <i>range</i> on their laptop is huge compared to the contrast range on the projector that everyone else is looking at, especially when you&#x27;re far from the screen.<p>Surprisingly (to me) I saw really-light-blue-text-on-white as well as the hipster-dark-colors-on-black at the last conference I was at. Neither was legible...
pmoriartyalmost 8 years ago
This is one of the many reasons I prefer to surf the web through emacs-w3m, in my terminal. All the cute design crap is removed, and I&#x27;m given direct access to pure information, functionally displayed. Unfortunately it doesn&#x27;t work with Javascript, so some sites don&#x27;t work. But surprisingly many (including HN and Wikipedia) do.
SerLavaalmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve still never figured out why Hacker News gradually turns down the contrast when something gets downvoted. It&#x27;s the worst possible way to represent it. Absolutely frustrating.<p>Even though downvoted comments usually are inflammatory, sometimes I want to read the damn thing so that the rebuttals make sense.<p>And then <i>every</i> Ask HN is low-contrast. Why?
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CalChrisalmost 8 years ago
Solarized [1] is a contrast offender. There are things that I like about Solarized especially having a consistent palette across applications. But reducing contrast, especially for comments, leads to eyestrain. His &#x27;content tones&#x27; are all reduced contrast with respect to background, between 45-65 L*. And his background black isn&#x27;t 0 and I&#x27;m not sure why.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethanschoonover.com&#x2F;solarized" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethanschoonover.com&#x2F;solarized</a>
userbinatoralmost 8 years ago
My long-standing theory on why this started is because the default brightness&#x2F;contrast on monitors is usually far too high for the average environment --- they may look great sitting on the (often also brightly-lit) store shelf, but are eye-wateringly unbearable in the typical office or home. Thus designers started reducing contrast in a sort of software workaround to what is actually a hardware problem, and those of us who adjust our displays for more comfortable viewing get unreadably low contrast.<p>My monitors are set to only 12% contrast&#x2F;10% brightness on one and 20&#x2F;30 on the (slightly older) other to compensate for wear, and it&#x27;s plenty enough. It&#x27;s also probably better for longevity to not be driving the backlight at full intensity.
dasil003almost 8 years ago
Good to see the date on this is 2011, because back then low-contrast was a major design trend. These days? It still happens, but it&#x27;s nothing like it was.
eweisealmost 8 years ago
The no contrast movement has hit restaurant menus. Between the lighting and the menu, there is just no hope in reading them if I forget reading glasses.
mrobalmost 8 years ago
Despite claiming to promote high contrast text, this website is medium contrast at best. Their &quot;black&quot; text is #191919, not #000000 as it should be. Printer toner and carbon black based inks are frequently darker than #000000 on a typical screen, and nobody complains about them being too dark.<p>In the case of white being darker than #ffffff, you can at least argue that most users have their monitors configured too bright (it&#x27;s too bright by default because that looks better for a short term comparison, and most people don&#x27;t change the defaults), so darker whites are compensating for that. There&#x27;s no good reason to make black text gray.
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OliverJonesalmost 8 years ago
Yes. What they are saying. Please. Also, print and physical media that&#x27;s low contrast and&#x2F;or tiny in size is stupid.<p>Most internet-of-things devices, most BD players, TVs, monitors, etc, I&#x27;m looking at you, or at least trying to.<p>Lots of hipster-era print pieces, I&#x27;m trying to look at you too.<p>Also, let me throw in the point that blue-on-black, or yellow-on-white, contrast is hostile to the human visual system, especially in low light. The human eyes&#x27; lenses have a smaller circle of confusion (optical jargon) for longer wavelength light. Blue emergency lights on cop cars: couldn&#x27;t be worse for visibility and dark adaption if they tried. Red please!
metaseanalmost 8 years ago
I find these tools to be really useful in evaluating designs and emphasizing to stakeholders where designs fall according to standards:<p>- <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.checkmycolours.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.checkmycolours.com&#x2F;</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snook.ca&#x2F;technical&#x2F;colour_contrast&#x2F;colour.html#fg=33FF33,bg=333333" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snook.ca&#x2F;technical&#x2F;colour_contrast&#x2F;colour.html#fg=33...</a><p>---<p>edit: adding extra lines to get proper line breaks
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justin_vanwalmost 8 years ago
I found this site to hurt my eyes and left me with really bad after images. It&#x27;s dusk here and I haven&#x27;t turned the lights on yet, maybe that is why, but I really prefer mild contrast when reading or I end up having striped after images and floaters become very noticeable.<p>Maybe the nice looking sites aren&#x27;t so bad, and people who disagree can just override the settings (very easy in browsers), like has been possible since windows 3.1.
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alanfranzonialmost 8 years ago
Ironically,i find that website slightly unreadable because of very small text font.
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singularity2001almost 8 years ago
... then what.<p>I tried to click &quot;Join the Rebellion!&quot;<p>Nothing happened.<p>maybe they should start the “Unclickable link revolution”
ensiferumalmost 8 years ago
and what good is that page when the font size is unreadably small?
dzhiurgisalmost 8 years ago
Somewhat ironically this page has awful scrolling performance...
woodandsteelalmost 8 years ago
This is one reason I love Firefox&#x27;s Reader View button.
z3t4almost 8 years ago
you should design to make the content digestive. but if the content is bad you can make it look good and it will still sell.
loxiasalmost 8 years ago
This is not a &quot;rebellion&quot;.<p>This is common sense. :)
angersockalmost 8 years ago
If you don&#x27;t like low-contrast, perhaps check out jwz.org or angersock.com