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Batteries that “drink” seawater could power long-range underwater vehicles

79 pointsby yurisagalovalmost 8 years ago

7 comments

wpietrialmost 8 years ago
My chemistry's weak, but isn't this basically a way to extract the energy put in when aluminum is refined? A quick internet search suggests that's 75 KWh/kilo. Lithium Ion batteries are apparently 0.2 KWh/kilo, so even assuming a lot of loss in refining and then "burning" the aluminum, it seems plausible.
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donquichottealmost 8 years ago
Aluminium batteries are interesting and may be promising. According to Wikipedia, in 2002 Yang and Knickle concluded:<p><i>The Al&#x2F;air battery system can generate enough energy and power for driving ranges and acceleration similar to gasoline powered cars...the cost of aluminium as an anode can be as low as US$ 1.1&#x2F;kg as long as the reaction product is recycled. The total fuel efficiency during the cycle process in Al&#x2F;air electric vehicles (EVs) can be 15% (present stage) or 20% (projected), comparable to that of internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEs) (13%). The design battery energy density is 1300 Wh&#x2F;kg (present) or 2000 Wh&#x2F;kg (projected). The cost of battery system chosen to evaluate is US$ 30&#x2F;kW (present) or US$ 29&#x2F;kW (projected). Al&#x2F;air EVs life-cycle analysis was conducted and compared to lead&#x2F;acid and nickel metal hydride (NiMH) EVs. Only the Al&#x2F;air EVs can be projected to have a travel range comparable to ICEs. From this analysis, Al&#x2F;air EVs are the most promising candidates compared to ICEs in terms of travel range, purchase price, fuel cost, and life-cycle cost.</i><p>Interestingly, Al batteries are missing from the MIT battery primer [0].<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;2.009&#x2F;www&#x2F;resources&#x2F;mediaAndArticles&#x2F;batteriesPrimer.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;2.009&#x2F;www&#x2F;resources&#x2F;mediaAndArticles&#x2F;batt...</a>
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pvaldesalmost 8 years ago
They will need a way to cope with: sand grains, lime, phytoplancton, gelatinous zooplancton, marine snow, sharks atracted by electric fields... will need a microporous filter and a way to force the saltwater into the device.<p>The problem with this concept is that this batteries could fail suddenly. Will the oceanographers want to use it and take the risk? Even a small cube full of Salinity and temperature sensors etc, can be valued in several millions.<p>A way to solve it could be to design a saltwater circuit totally closed and autonomous. Like a gas deposit. Could even act as a shield for the machine. A hole on this deposit and water entering on it? no harm done. Could be even an automatic activation method for several types of rescue systems (Water entering in the machine&#x2F;ship after a crash, seawater-batteries activating automatically)
gene-halmost 8 years ago
I recently saw a presentation by some college students that investigated the feasibility of running ocean gliders on nuclear power. The proposal was to use a nice sized chunk of strontium 90 for a radioisotopic thermal generator. This would provide 45 watts electrical power for about 10 years.<p>The interesting part was not the technical feasibility, but how they were going to make a case to the NRC to make such a use of radioisotopes legal. Apparently there is a precedent for this, some scientific ice monitoring equipment has used strontium 90 RTGs.
sgtalmost 8 years ago
Perhaps this is something Liquid Robotics should (or already are) looking into. That&#x27;s the company James Gosling works for and they&#x27;re doing fascinating stuff with ocean robots.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.liquid-robotics.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.liquid-robotics.com&#x2F;</a>
algiraualmost 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t see any performance metrics.
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nephritealmost 8 years ago
I really don&#x27;t like that the hydrogen made in process is considered waste and is escaping. We sure have a lot of water on planet but if the technology will become mainstream and we will just throw the hydrogen away it will become a huge problem.
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