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Why Some Men Don't Work: Video Games Have Gotten Really Good

42 pointsby hvoalmost 8 years ago

16 comments

CM30almost 8 years ago
Another article blaming video games?<p>Honestly, the reason some people out of work play video games are more likely one of the following:<p>1. They&#x27;re fun and they reduce the tedium of everyday life. Others could do the same thing with sports, tabletop games, chess, TV shows and movies, etc. There&#x27;s no practical difference between an unemployed guy playing video games all day and the same person watching TV all day or playing golf all day. It&#x27;s merely a way to take your mind off all the boredom while looking for a job.<p>2. Playing games can in theory be a way out of poverty, at least in today&#x27;s internet social media driven world. How many of these people have YouTube channels or popular presences online? If you have no other practical options, then trying to make money through video game Let&#x27;s Plays and YouTube monetisation seems like a decent last resort.<p>And yes, the job market is broken too. Maybe if companies stopped trying to look only for people with every skill and piece of expertise needed in advance and were willing to train people to do jobs, we might have less people unemployed at the moment. Heck, maybe the New York Times could help here. Stop doing the common media thing of mostly hiring upper class college graduates from privileged families (which seems to be a trend at the moment) and start hiring people who want to work rather than those who whine about how poor people act in internet editorials.
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realusernamealmost 8 years ago
The reason must be video games for sure, surely not because you need 5-year experience for a shitty part-time cashier job paying minimum salary because the job market collapsed.
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pjc50almost 8 years ago
Counter-opinion from twitter: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Noahpinion&#x2F;status&#x2F;881862753115230208" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Noahpinion&#x2F;status&#x2F;881862753115230208</a><p>&quot;Table from their latest paper. 1) Nonemployed 21-30 men devoting <i>less</i> time to leisure overall since &#x27;04-&#x27;07...&quot;
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thehardspherealmost 8 years ago
Here&#x27;s a counter hypothesis: some men don&#x27;t work because the economy is bad for them, and they&#x27;re only playing more video games than they used to because video games have gotten less expensive over the past 20+ years.
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willvarfaralmost 8 years ago
Seems its hard to to trace causation either way. It could be that people play video games to escape the tedium of being un- or under-employed, rather than are unemployed because they play video games instead of seeking work.
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JamesMcMinnalmost 8 years ago
The whole argument is built on ignoring the question &quot;why aren&#x27;t employers hiring young men&quot; and asking the very presumptuous question &quot;Why don&#x27;t young men want to work?&quot;<p>I can&#x27;t get access to the full paper without paying $5, which I&#x27;m not going to do, however the abstract doesn&#x27;t sound very convincing either, making the argument that video games take up a larger percentage of men&#x27;s leisure time, and younger men have more leisure time than older men, so video games must be stopping men from working.<p>It&#x27;s not a very convincing argument, and the converse could just as well be true: older men would prefer to spend more time working than enjoying leisure time.
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Symmetryalmost 8 years ago
The drop in employment is mostly that men in college aren&#x27;t also holding down jobs. Maybe video games have something to do with that but I&#x27;m not very concerned.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economy.com&#x2F;dismal&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;datapoints&#x2F;295750&#x2F;Are-Video-Games-Killing-the-Labor-Market-for-Young-Men&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economy.com&#x2F;dismal&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;datapoints&#x2F;295750&#x2F;Ar...</a>
croonalmost 8 years ago
&gt; One hears this regret in talking to older gamers. “Of course gaming has interfered with any attempt to look for or do any serious work,” says Arturo, 29, who reckons he has spent 600 hours playing Kerbal Space Program, a space-flight simulator, and possibly more at Starcraft II, a strategy game. He doesn’t just miss the forgone income and opportunities; he could have been reading, he laments. But those hours are gone for ever.<p>I&#x27;ve been working for 10 years, since my early 20s. I&#x27;ve also played Dota (2) for 2000 hours, and read VB.Net books, and spent time with friends I no longer have contact with, and working out even though I&#x27;m now kind of out of shape for the last couple of years (started a c25k to catch back up).<p>My point is, a lot of things I&#x27;ve done in the past are &quot;gone&quot; now. A lot was leisure, some was exercise, some was work related. None of it is relevant now, to my life, to my work, etc, yet I see no point in regretting any of it.<p>All experiences shape you, no matter if they were good, bad, productive or not. And even if you spend all your (free) time being &quot;productive&quot;, you don&#x27;t guarantee that it&#x27;s long term relevant, or that you don&#x27;t die of stress.<p>A balance is probably good, and games are a lot better than other passive pastimes.
nol13almost 8 years ago
Ugh, wouldn&#x27;t be working either if I could find a switch already.
kristofferRalmost 8 years ago
I like this article much better: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.1843magazine.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;escape-to-another-world" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.1843magazine.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;escape-to-another-worl...</a>
Alex3917almost 8 years ago
Just as an interesting datapoint, people subscribed to gaming-relating subreddits as of June 2017: 22,482,107<p>Versus people subscribed to programming-related subreddits (not counting r&#x2F;ProgrammerHumor): 2,287,089.<p>There are currently ~290 video-game related subreddits with over 10,000 subscribers.
trophycasealmost 8 years ago
Just wait until VR MMOs. I guarantee many lives will be completely destroyed...
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Tomis02almost 8 years ago
Games have become more popular and potentially more addictive, not necessarily better (for my definition of better, games nowadays are generally worse than in the 90s and early 200s).
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Siecjealmost 8 years ago
I know women who play puzzle games on their phone but don&#x27;t consider them games.
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retrac98almost 8 years ago
Got a laugh out of &quot;Recreational computer time&quot;
bitwizealmost 8 years ago
If these men aren&#x27;t working, where are they getting the money to buy vidya and keep a roof over their head while they play? Their parents?
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