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How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

83 pointsby mcbobbingtonalmost 8 years ago
These guys seem to be pretty good hackers. Anyone know how much they make? Or is that classified? If so, anybody have any idea?

9 comments

strictneinalmost 8 years ago
For the NSA, they list salary ranges on the job postings.<p>Examples:<p><pre><code> Cryptographic Vuln. Analyst - Entry: $68,586 - $85,464 Cryptographic Vuln. Analyst - Mid-Level: $79,334 - $105,663 Computer Network Analyst - Entry&#x2F;Mid: Same Systems Vulnerability Analyst - Entry&#x2F;Mid: Same Capabilities Development Specialist - Entry&#x2F;Mid: Same </code></pre> The range for Senior positions is $94,796 - $145,629<p>There&#x27;s also signing bonuses available, and language bonuses if you know foreign languages that are in demand. They also adjust the pay for living in Hawaii, since it&#x27;s more expensive.<p>The CIA pays a little better, but it&#x27;s more expensive to live near there.
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admira1Ackb4ralmost 8 years ago
North of 100k, south of 200k. Assuming some level of seniority or subject matter expertise.<p>After that, there is a ceiling, so most will work for private firms or consult, making 2x, 3x, or much more.
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emermanalmost 8 years ago
Speaking from personal experience (dating an employee) I can tell you it is not necessarily north of 100K. Most I have spoken with from NSA make less thank 100k and that&#x27;s with 5+ years at the agency, non-management.
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techjuicealmost 8 years ago
Hopefully the following helps, it is from research I have done comparing the public sector to the private sector pay and compensation over time, specifically comparing intelligence community pay to regular government agency pay and compensation for the independent agencies (FCC, SEC, CIA, CFTC, FTC, GSA, USPS, SSA, etc.) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Independent_agencies_of_the_United_States_government" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Independent_agencies_of_the_Un...</a><p>If they are government employees they are normally paid on the regular government GS Pay scale (title 5) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opm.gov&#x2F;policy-data-oversight&#x2F;pay-leave&#x2F;salaries-wages&#x2F;salary-tables&#x2F;17Tables&#x2F;html&#x2F;DCB.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opm.gov&#x2F;policy-data-oversight&#x2F;pay-leave&#x2F;salaries...</a> so the really good ones get paid up to $161,900 if they can make it past the GS-14 pay grade.<p>Though, that is considered generally OK pay for a regular government job that is not extremely high stress, quick turn around and high demand. Though to the private sector&#x27;s top hackers as many far exceed this as a senior cyber security engineer or CISOs making up to $380,000&#x2F;year + stock options + other perks. In those cases the government also has Title 10 which limits pay to under the president&#x27;s salary (section 102 of title 3) $400,000 - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.cornell.edu&#x2F;uscode&#x2F;text&#x2F;3&#x2F;102" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.law.cornell.edu&#x2F;uscode&#x2F;text&#x2F;3&#x2F;102</a>. This allows the federal government secretaries or heads of agency to be able to pay individuals of extraordinary talent and ability the same rate as they may pay a physician or other medical professional if that individuals salary requirements fall outside of the regular GS pay scale and they really want that person on board and want to pay them a competitive salary.<p>There is also the Senior Executive Service and other equivalents for the many agencies that puts the individual into a senior level(SL), scientific or professional (ST) positions. These positions may come with cash rewards up to $25,000 with approval from OPM&#x2F;White House, eligibility to be nominated for the Presidential Rank Awards (Distinguished Rank (35% of annual basic pay) or Meritorious rank (20% of annual basic pay) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opm.gov&#x2F;policy-data-oversight&#x2F;senior-executive-service&#x2F;scientific-senior-level-positions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opm.gov&#x2F;policy-data-oversight&#x2F;senior-executive-s...</a>.<p>Though these positions for hackers would normally be reserved for those with at least 10 to 20+ years in the game with extreme in depth knowledge of the multiple operating systems, hardware and software, SCADA, Satellite, and other embedded&#x2F;private&#x2F;public&#x2F;military communications systems out there. This normally means they are not just specialized in a few things, but have deep knowledge of many systems through practical experience working with them hands on over the years and hacking them to pieces during security audits, product evaluations, quality assurance, security validation and testing through reverse engineering to insure the products do what they say they do, etc.<p>There are also some agencies that use a pay band system 1 to 5, etc. and normally cap out at around $157,000&#x2F;year then bump up to around $120,000 to $167,000 for their senior level positions and $120,000 to around $180,000 for their senior executive service compensation.<p>So in general the best of the best in terms of government employees could be paid up to $400,000&#x2F;year under title 10 which is more of a government contractor type position that has to be renewed regularly, highly unlikely unless those in top positions see someone they want working for them and really want them badly to work on the inside of government. Normally the title 10 pay is around $160,000-$300,000, so in general the bulk of hackers would fall under the GS pay scale ranging from GS-9 to GS-14 Step 6. Anything higher would have to be negotiated and justified during the hiring process or worked into a promotion for those already working for the government.
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brad0almost 8 years ago
From the sounds of other posts you&#x27;re making similar money to what you would at the big 4 (5?).<p>I think another question to ask is what other reasons would you want to work at these companies? The possibility to learn from other smart people? The opportunity to work on problems you couldn&#x27;t get elsewhere?
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ganoushoreillyalmost 8 years ago
Gs scale, +engineering pay band and locality pay(if applicable). The exceptions are military, they’re paid at comparable ranks. Most civilians start around GS9, then get fed up and go contractor for better pay.
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johnpythonalmost 8 years ago
Whatever amount they pay you isn&#x27;t worth it. Private sector pays more, has less bureaucracy, and will help you sleep better at night.
firesailoralmost 8 years ago
I have seen well north of $200k.
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