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All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace (2011)

142 pointsby sajidalmost 8 years ago

24 comments

titzeralmost 8 years ago
We are not only being colonized by machines, we are becoming machines, and gladly. We are already acting like and being treated like idiots by our technology. In the car it is turn by turn navigation, on foot it is stumbling with our phones in our faces, for music it is auto-tuned, formulaic pop songs, for dance it is the robotic pop-and-lock dubstep moves that amaze us...we defend our heads with noise-canceling headphones the size of earmuffs, are interrupted every moment by smartwatches...we bumble from one mediated moment to the next, always alone, always accompanied by no one--just the glow of a screen or a hum, a talisman. We&#x27;re not sane without checking our notifications, need entertainment...can&#x27;t stand not watching something, can&#x27;t stand dead space, can&#x27;t stand our own thoughts, can&#x27;t stand our own minds.<p>Please take my mind over, AI, we constantly beg. Put us out of our misery and upload us to the digital nirvana.<p>&#x2F;yea I know hackernews ain&#x27;t exactly the right place to blah that out there, but couldn&#x27;t. stop. --karma
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brudgersalmost 8 years ago
<p><pre><code> I like to think (and the sooner the better!) of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers live together in mutually programming harmony like pure water touching clear sky. I like to think (right now, please!) of a cybernetic forest filled with pines and electronics where deer stroll peacefully past computers as if they were flowers with spinning blossoms. I like to think (it has to be!) of a cybernetic ecology where we are free of our labors and joined back to nature, returned to our mammal brothers and sisters, and all watched over by machines of loving grace. -- Richard Brautigen</code></pre>
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Angosturaalmost 8 years ago
Obligatory. If you enjoy Adam Curtis, you should have a look at &#x27;The Loving Trap of Pandora&#x27;s Nightmares&#x27; - its only 3 minutes long and rather amusing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;x1bX3F7uTrg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;x1bX3F7uTrg</a>
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Scipio_Afrialmost 8 years ago
Really interesting documentary. I&#x27;ve heard good things about Adam Curtis&#x27;s documentaries.<p>He works, or at the very least use to, at the BBC and I remember reading a post if his on his blog where he saved something like 50 terabytes of rare unedited video of Afghanistan that was decades old, before and during it&#x27;s Marxist revolution starting in the late 70&#x27;s.<p>Probably the most interesting of his documentaries that I&#x27;ve seen is on the rise of propaganda and the public relations industry in his documentary &quot;Century of the Self&quot;.<p>Link here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;eJ3RzGoQC4s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;eJ3RzGoQC4s</a>
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komali2almost 8 years ago
&gt;All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace is a series of films about how this culture itself has been colonised by the machines it has has built. The series explores and connects together some of the myriad ways in which the emergence of cybernetics—a mechanistic perspective of the natural world that particularly emerged in the 1970s along with emerging computer technologies—intersects with various historical events and visa-versa. The series variously details the interplay between the mechanistic perspective and the catastrophic consequences it has in the real world.<p>This style of writing has always bothered me. I don&#x27;t know how to describe it. College-writing? Like, &quot;The series variously details the interplay between the mechanistic perspective...&quot; What does this sentence <i>actually mean</i>? Surely there&#x27;s a more efficient way to write it. At the very least by throwing out useless fluff like &quot;variously.&quot;
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zitterbewegungalmost 8 years ago
I watched this documentary and I actually disliked the perspective he gave. As a person with an Bachelors Degree in Computer Science and I took an AI course I came from a position that for the most part Computers Improve society. While I was watching this I started to pick apart his viewpoint.<p>As I have been to more AI ethics meetups I now think of ways to democratize data &#x2F; AI instead. I may have forgotten his viewpoints in the documentary since it was awhile ago but now I am more inclined to agree with him.
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DonaldFiskalmost 8 years ago
All his documentary series are worth watching. These are<p>Hypernormalisation<p>Bitter Lake<p>All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace<p>Every Day is like Sunday<p>The Power of Nightmares<p>The Century of the Self<p>The Trap<p>Pandora&#x27;s Box<p>The Mayfair Set<p>Inside Story<p>Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster<p>The last one is particularly relevant after the Grenfell Tower Fire.
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abelhabelalmost 8 years ago
I saw them all a few years ago and I highly recommend them.<p>Adam Curtis&#x27;s movies are more like long essays than documentaries but all worth watching.
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hasbroslasheralmost 8 years ago
Alright, time for another rant:<p>Curtis sees the connection between machines, hierarchies, capitalism, and technology. Curtis aptly points out that in our world, technology has not bred equality, that rather, the very concept of ownership spits in the eye of non-hierarchical society. I also question the degree to which Silicon Valley types fundamentally believe in (socioeconomic) equality - while Rand supporters often invoke freedom, liberty, justice, etc. they generally fail to mention equality at all. Instead, they opt for lofty &quot;rising tide&quot; rhetoric or relate back to a &quot;free and open web&quot;. However, Curtis is dead right about the type of fantasy that technological progress has given our world.<p>This fantasy - that if we just keep pushing forward, we can solve our problems belies a fundamental, inherent fallacy in late-capitalistic logic. That is: when the problems are necessary parts of the system, it is impossible for the system to solve them. Current nation-state-capitalism relies on a few tenets that cause many of our planet&#x27;s problems. Nations and people must compete, rather than cooperate. Growth must always continue, lest we face stagnation. Property and the means of acquiring wealth must not be equally distributed, in fact, such distribution would be inherently immoral. The last point here is explicitly Randian and is at the heart of global society&#x27;s moral compass. That what one man has, no other has a right to take, regardless of how that property was acquired. Thus it is <i>wrong</i> for Palestine to contest the land given to Israel at the end of the 2nd World War, it is <i>wrong</i> for young black men and women to stand on the bridges that wealthy San Franciscans take to work, it is <i>wrong</i> for the government to appropriate the wealth of Mark Zuckerberg - despite the fact that his idea and wealth was ostensibly stolen from others.<p>The fantasy of a &quot;free web&quot; can be only be recognized in its relation to property and ownership. While megacorps like Google and Facebook make lofty claims about freedom, they unequivocally deny that the rest of the web ought to have access to their data, their infrastructure, their systems. They support the laws that make hacking illegal, and in many cases, prove two-faced about what they really want: a free web, but with some limitations that favor them. Google, for instance, supports net neutrality but does not have any interest in limiting their own ability to profit off the web. What we end up with is a &quot;free society&quot; where the ultimate arbiters of justice are not beholden to society in any way - capable of setting their own rules and saying &quot;you may enter <i>if</i> ...&quot;
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devindotcomalmost 8 years ago
Oh, Adam Curtis is great. Bitter Lake and Hypernormalization are also well worth a watch. Didn&#x27;t see this but I look forward to it!
zabunialmost 8 years ago
I think every Adam Curtis documentary link should also have this appended to it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg</a>
bantunesalmost 8 years ago
&#x27;Bitter Lake&#x27; is one of his harder to watch films. Still good, though <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VRbq63r7rys" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VRbq63r7rys</a>
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intopiecesalmost 8 years ago
I was fortune enough to catch a screening of this at the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, TX for $3. It was my first exposure to Adam Curtis, and I have been hooked ever since. His work is hypnotic, unnerving sometimes, misleading &#x2F; biased often, but always a good jumping off point for exploring ideas and people on your own.<p>I read a description of his latest, &quot;Hypernormalization,&quot; the was something like &quot;a three hour journey through 100 wikipedia tabs&quot; and it perfectly described his documentaries. They start with a basic premise but then veer wildly through topics whose links are tenuously held together by their relation to each other + stock footage and great music.
hellbanneralmost 8 years ago
&quot;Machines that make us smart&quot; argues that what makes us human is not that we can build machines, or that machines = intelligence but that human + machine = intelligent system.<p>By Don Normal, ex Apple designer.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Things-That-Make-Smart-Attributes&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0201626950" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Things-That-Make-Smart-Attributes&#x2F;dp&#x2F;...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;msu.edu&#x2F;course&#x2F;cep&#x2F;900&#x2F;readings&#x2F;NormanChap3.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;msu.edu&#x2F;course&#x2F;cep&#x2F;900&#x2F;readings&#x2F;NormanChap3.pdf</a> (Sample chapter)
Z1515M8147almost 8 years ago
While we are on the subject, here is another video from the same site on becoming a machine. Stumbled across this lecture while looking for more Curtis documentaries and thought it was a very good guide through a cybernetics roadmap of the recent past, focusing on the work of Professor Kevin Warwick, who makes this subject quite entertaining and very accessible for the general&#x2F;non-technical viewer.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thoughtmaybe.com&#x2F;the-cyborg-experiments&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thoughtmaybe.com&#x2F;the-cyborg-experiments&#x2F;</a>
joostersalmost 8 years ago
As well as the long multi-part documentaries, Adam Curtis wrote short five minute clips for the show NewsWipe, which are also worth watching, e.g. his talk about news reporting and &quot;oh dearism&quot; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8moePxHpvok" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8moePxHpvok</a>
uxhackeralmost 8 years ago
Future Shock by Alvin Toffler in 1972 narrated by Orson Welles is well worth adding to the list of documentaries to watch. Much of what Toffler&#x2F;Welles touch is very relevant now. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=fkUwXenBokU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=fkUwXenBokU</a>
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iamcuriousalmost 8 years ago
&gt;The film posits that it is perhaps as all past political dreams of changing the world for the better seem to have failed<p>What about antibiotics? That seems like a clear case of changing the world for the better.
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carapacealmost 8 years ago
Tiny sans-serif light grey font mean you hate your readers&#x27; eyes. This site <i>hates</i> your eyes.
wyclifalmost 8 years ago
It&#x27;s only a matter of time until one of these things kills a person.
chevmanalmost 8 years ago
all the cities at once<p>Pretend is a city bigger than New York, bigger than all the cities at once.
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falcolasalmost 8 years ago
Meta: Please, for the love of less-than-perfect eyesight, use more than 3.3 contrast ratio for 13px fonts.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webaim.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;contrastchecker&#x2F;?fcolor=8e8e8e&amp;bcolor=ffffff" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webaim.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;contrastchecker&#x2F;?fcolor=8e8e8e&amp;b...</a><p>On topic, this does seem like a video series I&#x27;ll have to look at. Human&#x2F;Machine interactions will only become more important as time goes on; it will be interesting to watch both the philosophy and the reality of it all evolve.
mgarfiasalmost 8 years ago
Am I the only one hoping this would be about the defunct industrial band?
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clock_toweralmost 8 years ago
Just going off the summary of part 1, I&#x27;m not sure what I&#x27;m supposed to make of this. Every cultural voice in the US -- except a few eccentric Greens -- was pro-computer-revolution; the Left wanted decentralization and freedom, while the Right wanted prosperity and anti-Communism. Neither major side in the US saw surveillance capitalism coming. If the author&#x27;s trying to absolve the Left of responsibility for surveillance capitalism, he&#x27;s wasting his time -- think of Apple Computer, the Free Software Foundation, 37signals.com, and the whole close association of computers (especially personal computers) with the counterculture...<p>He also enumerates the following goals that the personal-computing revolution was after:<p>* No economic risk or failure<p>* No boom-bust cycle<p>* Decentralized political power<p>* Democracy<p>* Connectedness<p>* Non-hierarchy<p>* Pursuit of self-interest<p>* Desire to improve the world<p>Which of these does he think we shouldn&#x27;t have pursued? Which of them does he think are bad? If you oppose all of them, you&#x27;re asking to live in the Egypt of the Pharaohs, and not even the neo-reactionaries want _that_.
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