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Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence

59 pointsby steamer25almost 8 years ago

5 comments

saurikalmost 8 years ago
I am going to go so far as to say this article is being actively and intentionally intellectually dishonest, as the author seems to understand enough of the issues surrounding violence and speech and yet wrote an incipiently long article whose first sentence admitted that some speech could be violent but did not once attempt to analyze <i>Milo&#x27;s speech</i> to see if it even met the author&#x27;s own test for violence; not a single time here am I seeing quotes from Milo designed to make his speech look OK not at any point does the author note the actual reasons why protestors claimed Milo&#x27;s speech is violence: there is just a banal assumption drawn to the length of being what I will again call out as a <i>dishonest</i> straw man :&#x2F;.<p>So, the reason that people I know are so horrified by Milo is that he was calling out undocumented and transgendered students by name; not just talking about what he dislikes about these groups, but calling them before the mob of his audience on an individual basis, knowing full well that many of his audience members would go find that person and take out their issues on that person, all while not even trying to hedge the situation to demonized his own followers who turned to such levels; and, for the undocumented, essentially turning a microscope on them and making it highly likely they could find themselves deported.<p>This, to me, fits a usage of the term &quot;violence&quot;. Maybe you disagree. Maybe the author also disagrees, but I don&#x27;t know, as I will now again say that as the author didn&#x27;t even ask this question, which let them respond to a weird philosophy piece that also didn&#x27;t seem to care to ask anyone involved, which I find so ludicrously questionable in their position and with their clear understanding of other issues as to be outright dishonest. This is an article talking with another article about a group of people, and yet those people were not consulted? This should not happen.<p>Regardless, with this information, you now get to do what the author should have done: discuss whether you think this speech is violent--not just any speech, and not the perfect speech that this author might hope you are expecting, but the specific speech involved in the incidents on college campuses which are used in the author&#x27;s examples and that are required to claim the reactions are incompatible. In all seriousness: even if you still disagree that Milo is violent, I hope we can at least agree that this article sucks.
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girvoalmost 8 years ago
Andrew Bolt (an absolute piece of crap as far as I&#x27;m concerned), was feature in a video on twitter the other day being randomly attacked by two masked &quot;antifa&quot; people. Since when did we decide using the tactics of the people were fighting against is acceptable? :(
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ryanx435almost 8 years ago
This article is written as a direct response (although it isn&#x27;t explicitly stated) of NPRs interview with Milo that was just released.<p>Turns out Milo was completely reasonable in the interview, so NPR kept pushing back the publication date of the interview, so Milo published the whole thing on his own.<p>Give it a listen before judging him: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kmQe1tWVBk8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kmQe1tWVBk8</a>
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woodandsteelalmost 8 years ago
Haidt and Lukianoff are saying that universities should be places where students learn to engage in reasoned debate and discussion, instead of being indoctrinated in a particular ideology. I agree.<p>If you like what they are saying, check out their organization at heterodoxacademy.org&#x2F;
kofejnikalmost 8 years ago
&gt; She was kicked out of the sauna. She said &quot;At this point I don&#x27;t look very female&quot;, and that her drivers license reflects a male identity and she hadn&#x27;t started hormone therapy.<p>As a non-American, I don&#x27;t understand. Do you mean that any male can claim to be a trans-female at any time and therefore expect to be allowed to use women&#x27;s sauna? And this is how it should be? I mean, isn&#x27;t there possibility for abuse? And not agreeing with this labels you a terrible person?<p>While at the same time, feminists scream abuse when someone looks at them inappropriately on the street.<p>I am completely baffled.
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