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German police will be able to hack WhatsApp encrypted messages by end of 2017

19 pointsby ayialmost 8 years ago

7 comments

swerneralmost 8 years ago
The headline and the rt.com article are a bit misleading, German speakers should rather read the original source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;netzpolitik.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;geheimes-dokument-das-bka-will-schon-dieses-jahr-messenger-apps-wie-whatsapp-hacken&#x2F;#Bericht" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;netzpolitik.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;geheimes-dokument-das-bka-will-...</a><p>&quot;Police will be hacking WhatsApp&quot; sounds much flashier than &quot;they&#x27;re developing for malware&quot;. There is no cracking of encrypted messages going on. This is about creating and distributing targeted malware to install on (unsuspecting) suspects&#x27; devices in order to capture decrypted messages on the end device.
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dsfyu404edalmost 8 years ago
This is not about breaking encryption.<p>This is about creating and distributing malware to install on suspects&#x27; devices in order bypass most encryption implementations<p>What should be most disturbing is the expected use case.<p>It&#x27;s expected to be used in run of the mill cases. When you start doing something like this at scale automating it at scale comes soon after.<p>I don&#x27;t think anyone wants to live in a world where the police have a gui button labeled &quot;install on all suspects&quot; and some software to infer messages of interest based on a case number.<p>Think about all the stuff they did to identify the guys who bombed the Boston marathon. All of that can (and it looks like it will) soon be automated.<p>Now imagine that it&#x27;s applied to common crime. Imagine being picked up off the street and interrogated because you unknowingly frequented a convenience store that had a drug trafficking operation going on behind the scenes and an automated system identified you (and 50 other people).<p>Would you like to live in a world where you can&#x27;t talk about buying fireworks for the 4th because you know if you do you&#x27;ll get &quot;randomly&quot; pulled over every time you drive back across state lines in the month of June<p>We&#x27;re rapidly marching toward a world where that sort of stuff is possible at scale.
kitchialmost 8 years ago
According to this article, they way they bypass WhatsApp&#x27;s end-to-end encryption is by gaining access to the host device itself, and then recording everything that&#x27;s on the screen.<p>So this would mean switching to something like Signal (which is in principle more secure) shouldn&#x27;t help.<p>I&#x27;m quite skeptical that they can do this in a general case - Perhaps exploiting some zero days on some Android&#x2F;iOS versions? I don&#x27;t expect Google and Apple to sit around and let this happen for too long though.
thor1299almost 8 years ago
rt.com is Russias state owned nees network, I would take this with a grain of salt
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moominalmost 8 years ago
RT;DR
thinbeigealmost 8 years ago
Title and article are misleading. They will be allowed to hack into smartphone OSes but if <i>they can</i> is totally different question.
d0mmealmost 8 years ago
Not sure if this is already happening unofficially?