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We Evolved to Run But We're Doing It Wrong

387 pointsby thomyorkiealmost 8 years ago

29 comments

rosseralmost 8 years ago
The Fine Article doesn&#x27;t really go into <i>how</i> we&#x27;re doing it wrong, beyond a passing mention of barefoot running, and some dissing of treadmills (which is hyperbolic and orthogonal to reality; you can run &quot;correctly&quot; or &quot;badly&quot; on a treadmill or on the street or trail).<p>I used to run a bit. Did an informal &quot;couch to 5k&quot; over a couple of months, before I&#x27;d even discovered that was a thing. The single most effective thing I did for my running was to buy a pair of Vibram Five-Fingers shoes.<p>TL;DR, the gist of the &quot;wrong&quot; is that we&#x27;ve been trained by &quot;trainers&quot; (over-padded athletic shoes) to run in a straight-legged, heel-lands-first manner. When you do that, your knee is locked (or at least straight) as the foot lands, which transmits the force of the landing up your leg and into your lower back.<p>When you run barefoot, or in a pair of ultra-light &quot;shoes&quot; like Vibrams, you learn very quickly not to do that, or you stop running. The &quot;right&quot; way is to land on the ball of the foot, with the knee slightly bent. The knee bends further to dissipate the force of the landing. This is how evolution &quot;meant&quot; for us to do it.<p>I have a bum knee now, for unrelated reasons, so I can&#x27;t run for the time being (or possibly ever again). I was, in fact, specifically warned against it by one of my array of bodyworkers just this past week. I kinda miss it sometimes, because it actually can be quite meditative, once you get into your rhythm.<p>EDIT: phrasing.<p>EDIT 2: The &quot;wrong&quot; under discussion in The Fine Article might have more to do with <i>why</i> we run than <i>how</i>. Though, if so, premising the argument in &quot;evolution&quot; is perhaps specious. Thanks, follow-ups, for pointing that out more clearly.
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sndeanalmost 8 years ago
&gt; he calls treadmills the &quot;junk food of exercise.<p>&gt; he believes running barefoot is more natural—and less likely to result in injury.<p>This has always bothered me, and, even on HN, it still bothers me. Too many experts.<p>I ran track and XC (HS, DIII, then DI for a season), did 100+ miles&#x2F;week, won a half marathon, etc. Reasonably successful without any injuries, over ~15 years. Even I would get constant advice from everyone. Still do.<p>&quot;You&#x27;re running too much.&quot; &quot;Your back looks too stiff.&quot; &quot;Your shoes don&#x27;t fit.&quot; &quot;Don&#x27;t do that with your hands.&quot; &quot;You&#x27;re landing on your heel too much.&quot;<p>Eventually you stop listening to everyone, even your coach. Running (and most sports) would do well to follow science and have a cited source following every statement. It&#x27;s a little absurd when someone tells me I&#x27;m going to get injured if I don&#x27;t do more barefoot running. I&#x27;ve been wearing this same model of Brooks shoe since I was 15. If you can give me a link to an article on Pubmed, I might read it.
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ErikAugustalmost 8 years ago
From the article:<p>&quot;The first thing I’d say is, you’re probably not doing it right. Most people dislike running because they have memories of things like running for a bus. That kind of running is usually deeply unpleasant, almost vomit-inducing. Most beginners give up when they get injured because they’ve done too much, too soon. Most of the benefits from running derive from going very slowly.&quot;<p>I find this premise to be correct - and can get people who say &quot;I could never run X miles&quot; to do so, enjoyable sometimes, just by slowing down their pace.<p>However, even as someone who is a running apparel ambassador who runs up to 80 miles per week, races multiple marathons and ultramarathons a year - I have a family, a full-time job, and occasional freelance work!<p>So even I would love to go on 2-4 hour mountain trail runs daily, it is hard to find the time to do this. Hell, I have a treadmill in my garage to sneak in shorter runs and still be home around my family.<p>And I&#x27;m more than happy to spread the gospel of long, slow distance running - as it is meditative, mood stabilizing, and underpins aerobic development and fat burning.<p>But I am willing to suggest all sorts of activity: hiking, soccer, basketball, 5K run training, cycling, mountain biking, marathon training, track workouts, climbing, long urban walks, tennis, weight training with treadmill jogging for warmups and cool down, boxing workouts, etc. I do think the premise that it&#x27;s wrong to treat running as a sport is flawed - I think we can treat it as a sport, or not treat it as a sport. Or both! That depends on the individual.<p>If it gets you moving and your heart rate elevated into those aerobic ranges, do what works for you. Running barefeet in nature for hours at a time for the simple sake of running is great - but doing something that fits into your interests, geography, and time schedule can provide a great, long-term balance to the modern life.
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StevePerkinsalmost 8 years ago
&gt;&gt; &quot;<i>You are not your typical jogger, are you? In fact, you hate the term.</i>&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;<i>The fact is, I am a jogger, but it has connotations of pastel tracksuits and sweatbands from the 1980s and sort of stinks of Thatcherism and Reaganomics, and all that individualism. Runner just sounds cooler, doesn’t it?</i>&quot;<p>I find this portion of the interview remarkable at a meta level.<p>1) Associating the word &quot;jogger&quot; with conservative politics and individualist philosophy is absolutely bizarre to me. Why? Because it happened to grow popular during the 1980&#x27;s? Does that mean that the x86 computer revolution has conservative connotations also? I thought that JFK popularized jogging back in the 60&#x27;s, anyway. I&#x27;m so confused here.<p>2) Feeling the need to rename things in order to avoid connotations, even if the renaming makes little sense, is a curious impulse. The word &quot;jogging&quot; has some distinct layers of meaning, that are lost when you simply collapse it into &quot;running&quot;. If you DO somehow negatively link jogging to Ronald Reagan, then wouldn&#x27;t it be better to try and coin a <i>new</i> term?<p>3) I find this sort of exchange more and more common on the Internet these days. Discussing jogging, or what one ate for breakfast that morning... and seamlessly segueing in and out of politics or culture war banter. Not so long ago, that would be considered awkward and jarring (quite frankly, it would <i>still</i> be considered awkward and jarring if the subject had expressed a pro-Reagan view instead). Until quite recently, basic social norms would have one tiptoe into such things more gingerly. An interesting shift.
will_brownalmost 8 years ago
Another recently published running book is about &quot;The Raven&quot; a streak runner running 8 miles everyday for over 42 years. 125,000 miles; 5x around the earth; to the moon and back.<p>I&#x27;m lucky enough to live in Miami and run with him sometimes. When he started the streak he went barefoot and later began wearing shoes, if you can call them that, his favorite are NB with about 2,500 miles on them that seem to have more hole(s) than material left.<p>If you can, do a run with the Raven and get a nickname, if not please get his book:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Running-Raven-Amazing-Community-Inspired-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B01JEJC8L6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Running-Raven-Amazing-Community-Inspi...</a>
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dingdongdingalmost 8 years ago
The title says &quot;We&#x27;re doing it all wrong&quot;, but after reading the article it hardly says much about what we are doing wrong. The only wrong it talks about is treadmill and that&#x27;s it.
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austinjpalmost 8 years ago
So here&#x27;s the deal. There is no absolute truth regarding running, footwear, and injuries. Anyone who says there is, well they&#x27;re selling something.<p>And that&#x27;s the absolute truth.
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krishicksalmost 8 years ago
Chris McDougall&#x27;s book, &quot;Born to Run&quot;, is another source that&#x27;s been out for a while. It focuses on endurance running, but also heavily on barefoot or nearly-barefoot running.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chrismcdougall.com&#x2F;born-to-run&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chrismcdougall.com&#x2F;born-to-run&#x2F;</a>
peterwwillisalmost 8 years ago
How to do running right:<p><pre><code> 1. Walk. 2. Increase pace until uncomfortable. 3. Back off pace until comfortable. </code></pre> Everything else is yak shaving.
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mlinksvaalmost 8 years ago
I wish the interview was a bit more substantial, but I like the exercise should be free&#x2F;gyms are bad (exaggeration mine) idea. Gyms are like skyways (eg in Minneapolis), or like mass transit stations surrounded by parking: they detract from the vibrancy of street life and subvert their purpose.
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wvhalmost 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;re doing it wrong, not more than sitting down for more than 8 hours a day, at least.<p>I&#x27;m an avid runner. I agree when the barefoot movement talks about using your legs, knees and ankles as springs, and that too cushioned shoes let you beat the road without having to adapt, replacing some short-term discomfort by perhaps long term injury caused by bashing your stiff legs on the road for long distances.<p>But I also sit down most of the day on weekdays, and even though I stretch, that spring is mostly gone after a long workday. I run too heavily then, and I really prefer to have some protective footwear to compensate for my inflexibility on those days.<p>Another problem is that our prehistoric selves didn&#x27;t run on hard asphalt for hours, which many of us have to do in our current environment.<p>So, even for those of us who are fit and athletic, this is more about getting the balance right considering our lifestyle and environment. We might have evolved to run, but not on asphalt and not after sitting down the whole day.<p>Don&#x27;t clock up miles barefoot if&#x2F;when your core physical strength or muscle flexibility don&#x27;t allow feline agility. You&#x27;re at least as likely to get injured. Adapt to the situation and listen to your body.
titzeralmost 8 years ago
Something that I noticed recently is that if speed isn&#x27;t a major goal, breathing through the nose is a lot more healthy. In through the nose, out through the nose.<p>First, it filters incoming air of particulates like dust and pollen--gross stuff you don&#x27;t want in your lungs. Over an hour of running, you can easily breathe 600L of air, in a city, that&#x27;s a lot of pollution.<p>Second, it calms you. Breathing through the nose is a meditation exercise that automatically calms your mind.<p>Third, it reduces dehydration. Most of the water not lost through sweat and through the skin is lost through evaporation from the mouth. Through the nose instead, the same filtration system that keeps dust particles out serves as a condensation site for some of the moisture that would otherwise exit from your lungs.<p>Problem is, you can&#x27;t run super fast breathing through your nose because of the limitation in breath volume from the restricted pathway. The article is right; IMO you should not run faster than what you can manage through nose breathing alone.
maxmcorpalmost 8 years ago
I find it interresting that no one questions the &quot;we are born to run&quot; claim. I have seen very little evidence for that. We are able to run, but that does not mean that running is a good way for us to move in general.<p>Having reached 50+ my estimate is that only 1 in 20 of the people i have known and who has been running still do. Perhaps even less.<p>You simply get too many injuries. Your cortisol levels rise. You destroy your joints etc. etc.<p>I also find it very hard to imagine that running would have been better for some imaginable forefathers who had to run barefoot in nature with no roads.
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ck425almost 8 years ago
This isn&#x27;t really a new idea anymore. I&#x27;d be curious to read what the book covers beyond what Born to Run did.
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soufronalmost 8 years ago
I used to buy into the &quot;running naturally&quot; argument sold from Vibram, but it&#x27;s the same pseudo-science that justifies buying juicers and shit. I was used to run for years. I used vibrams for 3 or 4 months and ended up completely destroyed, unable to run for a while. This was like 10 years ago, and more and more people have been calling on their bullshit since then.
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spodekalmost 8 years ago
The article mentions hunting by running as an evolutionary adaptation suggesting running distances, not necessarily sprinting.<p>I have to imagine running like hell to escape predators as a major part of our evolutionary past. It would seem consistent with the effectiveness of high intensity interval training as well as how satisfying the feeling of exhaustion after running as fast as you can for a while.
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lazyjonesalmost 8 years ago
If we are born&#x2F;evolved to run, why do we do it mostly when it&#x27;s useless to us (i.e. running in circles)?<p>Running as a sport is, in essence, forcing ourselves to do something we supposedly needed so much as a species that we evolved to be good at it. Our lifestyle has changed dramatically and we obviously don&#x27;t need it much anymore.<p>Perhaps we should be running instead of walking whenever possible? I used to do that when I was younger and more impatient (I hated taxis, too), but having sweaty clothes isn&#x27;t socially acceptable in most cases. Perhaps some research to alleviate this problem would help?<p>Edit: this looks like an interesting starting point: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation_Garment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation...</a>
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acconradalmost 8 years ago
&gt; <i>On the phone from London, the author told National Geographic how he was inspired by his Irish uncle, who ran in the Olympics, and why he believes running barefoot is more natural—and less likely to result in injury.</i><p>I stopped reading right here. Ask a podiatrist if they&#x27;ve seen a rise in plantar fasciitis as a result of barefoot running. Not everyone has the biomechanics to jump into barefoot running[1]. Not everyone who has the biomechanics can simply transition to barefoot running[2] - you have to ease into it[3].<p>As soon as you assign species-wide labels and claim something is wrong, assume it&#x27;s a clickbaity title that will likely follow Betteridge&#x27;s Law of Headlines.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.menshealth.com&#x2F;fitness&#x2F;barefoot-running-problems" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.menshealth.com&#x2F;fitness&#x2F;barefoot-running-problems</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;lifeandstyle&#x2F;the-running-blog&#x2F;2013&#x2F;aug&#x2F;22&#x2F;barefoot-isnt-best-most-runners" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;lifeandstyle&#x2F;the-running-blog&#x2F;20...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu&#x2F;6FAQ.html#Who%20should%20NOT%20run%20barefoot%20or%20in%20minimal%20shoes" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu&#x2F;6FAQ.html#Who%20shoul...</a>?
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thoughtexprmntalmost 8 years ago
There are a lot of reasons to run, but if general fitness is the goal, I&#x27;ve found that sprinting, and in particular uphill sprinting, is the most effective and time-efficient.
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tkyjonathanalmost 8 years ago
Yeah, I really don&#x27;t think we were made to outrun ostriches or any animal, really. Saying so set off a red light with me at the very start of the article. We can set traps and scavenge already dead bodies - thats pretty much it. Most of our actual calories were from plants&#x2F;berries&#x2F;corn&#x2F;root vegetables. We were able to do very well for ourselves, calorically speaking, when we cooked&#x2F;boiled those foods.
donquichottealmost 8 years ago
Barefoot running and even wearing thin soled shoes restricts you to a certain kind of terrain. I participated in an alpine marathon last weekend and the terrain was quite technical. Everybody was wearing trail running shoes. I have weak ankles which are prone to pronation (he he), so a good shoe is absolutely crucial to me for running in rugged terrain.
pgeorgepalmost 8 years ago
I agree running has gotten to be muddied by the complications of technology. It&#x27;s meant to be an archaic practice emphasizing a meditative state. The process should be focused solely on meditative benefits, with physical benefits coming as a secondary benefit.
geoffcalmost 8 years ago
55 yo and have run close to daily for 45 of them with minimal injuries. I land on my forefoot and then put the heel down softly, the shoe makes little difference other than an overly high heel prohibits that movement.
anonymousDanalmost 8 years ago
These claims about how we&#x27;re running in the wrong way because we should be running barefoot all seem to rest on the premise that that is how we evolved. The problem I have with that is they neglect to mention there weren&#x27;t any concrete roads or sidewalks around when our running abilities evolved either, so who&#x27;s to say our anatomy was ever designed to work on such hard surfaces? Sure if you can manage to run barefoot on only natural surfaces it might make sense, but this is never mentioned by anyone.
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k__almost 8 years ago
I think it&#x27;s kinda funny that running is THE sport of the masses and most of them do it so wrong that it&#x27;s actually bad for them.
mcguirealmost 8 years ago
Obligatory <i>Real Genius:</i><p>&quot;You still run?&quot;<p>&quot;Only when chased.&quot;
jbrlalmost 8 years ago
Barefoot on the natural concrete?
slipslapalmost 8 years ago
what are your thoughts on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vivobarefoot.com&#x2F;us" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vivobarefoot.com&#x2F;us</a>?
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givenalmost 8 years ago
We didn&#x27;t evolve. Anything more than micro-evolution is a lie and it&#x27;s very easy to see that it&#x27;s wrong - if you <i>want</i> to. But I have to admit it&#x27;s a very popular lie and people swing words like <i>scientific</i> to make it impressive. Of course much depends on this lie for many people. They can do whatever they want because they are just a buch of random cells, right?