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Ask HN: What is your process when you have a product idea?

24 pointsby jfoucheralmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;d like to discuss how the good people of HN go about this issue.<p>Do you talk to the people around you, do you put up a landing page and use adwords, or maybe you start building the product right away ? Something else entirely ?<p>I&#x27;m mostly interested in the validation phase, but I&#x27;m open to anything that can come up.

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Adrigalmost 8 years ago
First you have to find your market. Do not listen to anyone execpt your target audience. Stuff like &quot;your grandma need to understand your product in 10 sec&quot; is the most stupid advice I hear. Your market should see your value in less than 5 min.<p>Usualy the validation goes in 2 phases : market interest and MVP.<p>The first phase is about faking it until you make it. Create your landing page presenting your product (don&#x27;t spend more than a day on it, you don&#x27;t care about design&#x2F; branding), post in your audience&#x27;s facebook group, go to their meetups, shadow them to affine your concept. The goal is to have proof of traction and the assurance the market is ready &#x2F; big enough. The best metric is usualy an email list you can reuse later.<p>Second phase, if the first is successful is building the MVP (main viable product). It&#x27;s about having the most minimalistic version of your product that you can sell. Usually it&#x27;s your main feature. You MUST hack it yourself, don&#x27;t spend money yet, you&#x27;ll lose it. The goal is to iterate quickly to have what&#x27;s called a product market fit.<p>Product market fit is when you can write an equation like : &quot;when a number P people see my product, there is a conversion of C% that get me X money&quot;. Then you can launch and the rest is about scaling.<p>Do not spend any money (aka &gt; 1000$) until the product market fit. Not in ads, not in freelancers, not in consultants and especially not in PR.<p>If you product is expensive to make or need a big chain of production, sell it before building it. If you succeed it will be you proof of product market fit<p>It&#x27;s difficult to make a standard advice since it depends a lot of the context but key insights are :<p>Your market is king, refer only to them.<p>Make them believe 80% of the job is done when you really just have a landing page<p>When proof of traction hack the main feature of the product and sell it.<p>If you have a product market fit, congratulation you have a business &#x2F; startup.
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Ryelalmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;m interested in making this into a framework and it&#x27;s been difficult to say the least.<p>The high level things about a startup are very consistent and good candidates to be fit into a framework. I&#x27;m not sure but I think these are just called unit economics. Things like &quot;Our product is sold for $X because it saves our customer Y in time&quot;. However it&#x27;s the unknown, and emotional values that I&#x27;ve found incredibly hard to fit into a framework. I&#x27;m fascinated now in seeing if the way the finance industry calculates risk is in any way a good framework for startups to assess which features to build.<p>What I&#x27;ve found to be the hardest questions to answer...<p>How do I find industry metrics on an industry that doesn&#x27;t exist yet?<p>How do I prove people will want something that they don&#x27;t want right now?<p>How do I measure emotional value? Tactile sensation(hardware)? UX, UI, etc...<p>These are the things that startups often believe to be their advantage over the competition. &quot;Our product is much more fun&#x2F;easy&#x2F;fast to use&#x2F;learn&#x2F;teach&quot; But how do we measure that?<p>The most valuable exercise I&#x27;ve come up with is this question...<p>How would your user recreate your product, if you&#x27;re product didn&#x27;t exist and they had to piece together the end result with existing technology?<p>I have a startup right now that creates custom educational podcasts by summarizing publicly available content (with attribution) to generate entirely new content and sort the corpus in increasing complexity. If you searched &quot;Skateboarding&quot;, you would get a text document that taught you what skateboarding is, then the history of skateboarding, and then get into beginner, intermediate, and advanced skateboarding lessons. This would go through text-to-voice and be downloaded to your device for offline listening.<p>Search any topic and you get a 45 minute podcast to listen to on your commute.<p>In our case, I stepped back and said &quot;Okay... If I wanted an educational podcast on skateboarding, the first thing I would do is search Google, then Wikipedia, then I would start going to skateboarding blogs and read them one by one in increasing complexity. If I wanted to consume this content during my commute I would take all of this content and copy it into a text-to-voice service, and download that audio file on my phone for listening offline.&quot; I walked through this entire process and it took me 1 hour to get 45 minutes worth of audio content.<p>Peter Thiel says that your solution must be 10X better than the existing solution.[0]<p>Unfortunately for me, I think I will need to cut the time it takes to manually create a podcast by 1&#x2F;10 and also 10x the quality of the content, which I don&#x27;t know that I can do.<p>Tangentially, I often joke that if the problem your startup is trying to solve doesn&#x27;t exist as a meme, than it&#x27;s not a real problem for enough people.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.hypeinnovation.com&#x2F;peter-thiels-7-questions-for-product-innovation" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.hypeinnovation.com&#x2F;peter-thiels-7-questions-for-...</a>
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