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On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

200 pointsby jp_scalmost 8 years ago

31 comments

EddieRinglealmost 8 years ago
One of my first exposures to this &quot;manifesto&quot; was on Twitter with someone starting a thread with &quot;Google has a Nazi problem.&quot; The majority of the other responses I read either attacked the author, dismissed the entire text in whole, and&#x2F;or refused to actually argue the paper&#x27;s points because they saw them as so ridiculous or &quot;obviously&quot; wrong.<p>I read the paper. I don&#x27;t see at all how it relates to fascism, Trumpism, or whatever you want to call it.<p>I am against discrimination, and that includes positive discrimination.<p>If there were factual inaccuracies in what the author wrote, why not discuss them? Why not use high-quality sources to validate your argument? I wish it was the opposite, but I don&#x27;t have the time to research the psychological&#x2F;sociological perspectives on these issues. Human civilization has grown thanks to being able to specialize. I specialize and (hopefully) make contributions in one field, but I depend on others that have specialized elsewhere to provide knowledge and resources I can depend on.
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Meekroalmost 8 years ago
&quot;If Galileo had said that people in Padua were ten feet tall, he would have been regarded as a harmless eccentric. Saying the earth orbited the sun was another matter. The church knew this would set people thinking.&quot; -- Paul Graham, What You Can&#x27;t Say [1]<p>&quot;And worse than simply thinking these things or saying them in private, you’ve said them in a way that’s tried to legitimize this kind of thing across the company, causing other people to get up and say “wait, is that right?”&quot; -- senior Google guy, in condemnation of the essay [2]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;say.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;say.html</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@yonatanzunger&#x2F;so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@yonatanzunger&#x2F;so-about-this-googlers-man...</a>
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fnovdalmost 8 years ago
I read the memo, and compared to the stuff I read from the real &quot;deplorables&quot; (on 4chan, The_Donald, etc.), it was pretty tame.<p>Yes, many of his ideas are backwards and unjustified. At the same time, many of his arguments were perfectly sane (e.g. silencing all dissenting opinions leads to an increasingly toxic and divided culture). If you want people like him to actually change their minds, you have to be willing to hear them out first. You can&#x27;t show someone where they went wrong if they&#x27;re too scared to tell you what they think in the first place.<p>Sexism in the workplace clearly exists. We&#x27;ve seen it manifest too many times for any rational person to deny it. At the same time, many of the initiatives that SV companies pursue to combat sexism are treating the symptoms rather than the cause. Googlers should try to make sure that they are consciously fighting their unconscious biases when hiring, but changing your hiring practices isn&#x27;t going to eradicate sexism. Many of these diversity &quot;action-plans&quot; are more effective at improving a company&#x27;s PR than they are at actually combating sex-related discrepancies. They become self-serving, even though their goal is noble. The author of the memo was <i>trying</i> to get at that, but that message was lost due to his problematic views on biological determinism, among other things.
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OoTheNigerianalmost 8 years ago
Silicon Valley controls a lot of the world&#x27;s communication and we should be really worried if silencing of unpopular opinions is the order of the day.<p>As a &quot;minority&quot; I perhaps disagree with a lot of what this person has written but my reaction to it will be to counter his arguments with a better one rather than go on to silence him.<p>--<p>I have already written about this somewhat during the past elections.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@oothenigerian&#x2F;trump-v-clinton-silicon-valleys-mind-bending-hypocrisy-is-more-of-a-threat-to-freedom-than-dd6263af03ac" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@oothenigerian&#x2F;trump-v-clinton-silicon-va...</a>
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rhapsodicalmost 8 years ago
No matter what side of this debate you&#x27;re on, I don&#x27;t think you can argue against the notion that there is only one side of it whose adherents can feel completely free to express their opinions or argue their case without fear of retaliation. Many stupid, unsupportable statements have been made by people on the left side, but I&#x27;ve yet to see much in the way of internet rage mobs formed against them.<p>I think if google tries to punish the manifesto&#x27;s author, there needs to be a massive backlash. Perhaps a grassroots effort to lobby the federal government to bust them up as a monopoly. It doesn&#x27;t matter what, just cause them pain and suffering through whatever legal means are available.<p>Suppose, for example, once Yonatan Zunger&#x27;s current employer becomes public knowledge, that company was inundated with phone calls and nasty tweets until they decide that keeping on the payroll is not worth the trouble. Would that be fair? I don&#x27;t think so, but it would no different than if the manifesto author is outed and fired for expressing his opinions.
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bkeroackalmost 8 years ago
Hacker culture used to trend towards libertarian ideals: free speech absolutism, cyberpunk freedom, etc. Now we have a huge mass of people at Google forming a rage mob to punish someone for expressing an unpopular idea. Should people lose their livelihoods and be blacklisted from the industry because you disagree with them? (see also Brendan Eich)
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thowaway26539almost 8 years ago
I think that it would not be a bad thing to have more diversity of thought in the tech community, or at least to have some basic level of considerate behavior toward people with different opinions.<p>I grew up in Red America; while I&#x27;m politically neutral&#x2F;apathetic at this point, most of my friends&#x2F;family are still varying shades of red. It was a drag to have all of my colleagues constantly and casually make insulting remarks about people that I care about.<p>Once, during an oncall shift, I pulled an all-nighter dealing with PagerDutys trying to keep our team&#x27;s systems up; came in the next day and had to sit through a presentation where an assortment of republican party figures (no, not just Trump) were used as examples of &quot;low IQ people&quot; as part of some contrived metaphor that speaker was trying to make. Everyone laughed. No one made any comment about how this was unprofessional&#x2F;inappropriate. Felt pretty angry.<p>This kind of environment is unhelpful to everyone. Obviously for folks on the right it is unpleasant, but for folks on the left it contributes to a culture of excessive contempt and hatred, increasingly detached from any actual contact with the people that they hate. This is not helpful for building winning coalitions.
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asciicircumalmost 8 years ago
Could someone opposed to the arguments the manifesto makes explain to me what quotes caused them to strongly dislike it?<p>Reading the reactions to the manifesto I&#x27;m left feeling like I&#x27;m taking crazy pills. I must have read a different manifesto.<p>AFAICT the main idea of the manifesto is that biological differences between men and women account for part of the representation gap. This seems to be perfectly logical and fair to me. Whether the explained part is significant or just a fraction of a percent should definitely be discussed. The available version of the manifesto not having its sources makes this a lot harder though.<p>&gt; The text of the post is reproduced in full below, with some minor formatting modifications. Two charts and several hyperlinks are also omitted.<p>If your offense is with the manifesto misrepresenting the amount of the gap explained by biological differences I can relate to your point of view and this post is not directed at you (which quotes of the manifesto lead to this impression would still be interesting to hear).<p>If not, I would really like to understand where you are coming from. The manifesto does not seem sexist (e.g. representing women in tech as inadequate) to me. Some quotes from the manifesto to support my claim:<p>&gt; I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes.<p>&gt; Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business<p>&gt; Many of these [biological] differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions.<p>&gt; I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn’t try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority.<p>&gt; I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism).<p>Please help me understand.
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blablabla123almost 8 years ago
The thing is, the guy wrote what many people think - outside of tech. It just so happens that techies happen to be very open oftentimes.<p>I mean, what this person wrote, I heard it on various occasions in different formulations from various people. Even a woman (a Psychologist student at that time) once told me she&#x27;d rather have a male dentist and a male president.<p>I imagine tech industry to be brutal for woman, but so are probably a lot of other areas like construction works, virtually anything with hand-labour involved, not to speak about the military.<p>Anyways, it&#x27;s great that people in the tech industry speak what they think. Maybe things change faster this way.
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Const-mealmost 8 years ago
In US, only 1.5% plumbers are female: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.contractormag.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;stop-calling-yourself-plumbette" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.contractormag.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;stop-calling-yourself-plum...</a><p>In IT, in 2008 women held 25% of all professional IT jobs in the US: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;lorikozlowski&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;22&#x2F;women-in-tech-female-developers-by-the-numbers&#x2F;#629291461760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;lorikozlowski&#x2F;2012&#x2F;03&#x2F;22&#x2F;women-...</a><p>An order of magnitude difference.<p>I have never seen discussions about gender-based discrimination for plumbers, or biological or sociological factors preventing women to seek career in plumbing. My personal opinion, on average, women just don’t want to do plumbing. And the society seems to be OK with that.<p>I wonder what’s so special with the software development that causes companies to do positive discrimination, gender-based hiring targets, and other stuff these companies apparently do in the US?
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kristiancalmost 8 years ago
The major elephant in the room here, which the memo doesn&#x27;t seem to address, is that as late as the 1960&#x27;s, computer programming was seen as a natural career for young women. Has biology changed that much in the last fifty years?
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pnathanalmost 8 years ago
What happens when the lone voice is in the right, and the mass of people are in the wrong, and all of the preponderance of current science and wisdom is against the lone voice?<p>It&#x27;s no great stretch to find examples through history of this in different social contexts.
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nyxtomalmost 8 years ago
Change is hard for everyone with any systemic bias in the game. Outrage is a byproduct of that systemic bias and comes from a primal level need to eliminate a percieved threat. It&#x27;s quite natural of a reaction. But it only proves the authors point overall.<p>Nevertheless, someone can have a seemingly innocent and accurate observation such as: there appear to be less women in tech overall and we seem to be forcing policies which appear to reduce the overall quality of our performance. Some of this may be subjective, &quot;quality&quot; for instance.<p>His conclusions and assumptions may or may not be accurate and may not make a difference in moving the needle forward. Some might be accurate on some standard deviation level. But he doesn&#x27;t deserve to be fired or harmed for putting out his opinion.<p>It is natural to want to be outraged by something that is interpreted as a threat and there is significant historical context for doing so. Hostility towards women working at all as one example. Or perhaps for instance, the &quot;bro&quot;&#x2F;&quot;frat&quot; culture of silicon valley being pretty rampant. A side effect of hiring people straight out of college perhaps?<p>The only way to be constructive in this is to continue to challenge the status quo. Violent outrage does nothing but prove the point that we are incapable of getting past any systemic bias to make our case heard.<p>I appreciate the effort to try and question the effectiveness of a policy and question the bias of a percieved political echo chamber. If there is historical precendent (and I claim there is) that refutes the underlying argument, then state those clearly.<p>One such example is that women have repeatedly mentioned exiting the field because of how they are typically treated by their peers. It is a bit ironic that the author mentions tribalism as a problem at Google because exclusivity of women, bros promoting bros, and the overall bias is quite obvious in the industry. Another commenter mentioned this here, but the obvious historical context for programming and computer science being a natural fit for women in the early days. Social tribalism and the echo chamber indeed has everything to do with the problem, but not in the way I think many are implying. To wit, I actually think that also approaching diversity of thought would be beneficial to Google - perhaps even help eliminate the same homogenous bro culture; just as much as it might help reduce progressive bias or any other systemic bias that plagues the community from hiring diverse talent.
sbierwagenalmost 8 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting to note that the only reason this is a news story is because &quot;a Google engineer&quot; wrote it. If the essay had been published entirely anonymously, then it would have attracted no attention at all, like a dozen similar essays.<p>The story is the source, not the content.
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mcguirealmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;m a little confused when he writes, &quot;Yet a newer form of discrimination is starting to greatly alarm me, and that’s discrimination against anyone with a point of view that’s deemed offensive to the tech majority.&quot;<p>This has been the case for as long as I&#x27;ve been in the industry. Heck, it&#x27;s probably older than the industry. Simply saying, &quot;there’s still far too little diversity&quot; has been enough to get you mocked, downvoted, shouted down, and generally dismissed for decades. There&#x27;s nothing at all new about it.
gueloalmost 8 years ago
So you like free speech except when people use their speech to call out speech they don&#x27;t like?<p>Let&#x27;s stop bullshitting, this isn&#x27;t about any core principles, it&#x27;s just another battleline in our ugly politics.
PrimalDualalmost 8 years ago
When I first read the manifesto, It sounded like a regurgitation of Jordan Peterson&#x27;s content. After being immersed in his lectures I found it very hard to contradict his points not just because of his eloquence but also because of his method for vetting ideas. I am very glad that his stuff has gained so much popularity because I may finally find counterpoints stick against his arguments.
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ben_jonesalmost 8 years ago
Can we also acknowledge that a lot of groups are <i>profiting</i> from outrage?
artursapekalmost 8 years ago
Why are people so outraged at this guy? I read what he wrote and it honestly sounds like he&#x27;s trying to be helpful. It&#x27;s at least polite. The knee-jerk &quot;SEXIST!&quot; reactions to him come off extremely self-righteous and immature.<p>There are a hundred other male-dominated careers and I never, ever hear women complain about not being equally represented in them. Why? Because they&#x27;re not attractive careers.
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mvindahlalmost 8 years ago
Like it or not, I think speaking openly against defined corporate dogma will get you in trouble in most places. He should probably have realized that and adjusted his course accordingly. Outright being fired is a pretty harsh sanction, and in this case it probably only came to this after the story blew up and Google had to exert damage control in public. A more conventional response would be an uncomfortable talk with your manager and the implicit warning of your career being sidetracked. That alone is enough to keep most people in line.<p>I don&#x27;t think the core of this matter is if he was right or wrong, or if he overstepped the red line of PC. I think it&#x27;s about any culture or any company having things that you shouldn&#x27;t say. You can challenge these but you do so at your own peril. I think if a Google employee wrote a ten-page, widely circulated, manifesto on the ickiness of ad trackers, he or she would get into similar trouble.
mempkoalmost 8 years ago
Just as he has a right to say it, I have a right to argue, complain, ridicule, etc. Why should his view be given a platform while mine is denounced. Seems people want to silence his critics. Controversial views are not safe from criticism just as any other views.
0xdeadbeefbabealmost 8 years ago
&gt; I don’t think it made much sense, and what I did understand of it seemed very poorly argued.<p>As someone who forms opinions, I care more about the argument than how poorly it was argued. Is it biased, or even racist or sexist, of me to have such a view?<p>Edit: I wish the author of this piece sounded less frightened.
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elihualmost 8 years ago
&gt; But this groupthink terrifies me when it’s used to bully people for exercising their right to free speech. How will we know what people are truly thinking if we rush to silence them?<p>I think &quot;right to free speech&quot; is a weak and kind of scary argument to be making here. Inside a corporation, you don&#x27;t have the same right to free speech you would have on the outside. HR can fire employees for things that wouldn&#x27;t get you arrested for saying in public.<p>To quote the alt-text for <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1357&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1357&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; I can&#x27;t remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you&#x27;re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it&#x27;s not literally illegal to express.<p>I think a better argument would be that the &quot;manifesto&quot; wasn&#x27;t actually saying anything particularly controversial, it was just a statement of opinion that many reasonable people would agree with. Perhaps it contains some assumptions that aren&#x27;t backed up by recent research, but unknowingly saying something that&#x27;s not true shouldn&#x27;t ordinarily be a fireable offense.<p>I would rather work at an employer where employees feel free to discuss hard problems that are relevant to the work environment for which there aren&#x27;t any easy answers than one where minority opinions (or even majority opinions that contradict the leadership) are silenced. On the other hand, I wouldn&#x27;t want to work at an employer where people felt free to say deliberately offensive things without repercussion.
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Shankalmost 8 years ago
&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.&quot;<p>No matter how you read the original manifesto or the responses to it, I think there&#x27;s a level of separation one must achieve before they pass judgement on it. If you let yourself live in the binary black-and-white world that the manifesto author created, where views are either left _or_ right, you&#x27;re bound to get fired up. This is a natural reaction to the fact that party identification and attacking identity tend to trigger much more primal responses than if party was removed. In my humble opinion, Google is a very good example of a company with a mixed culture. They&#x27;re a hugely conservative company in how they manage their finances, pay taxes, hire employees, and operate their company to the normal world. At the same time, they attempt to create &quot;Googley&quot; spaces where thinking and diversity are promoted. Are these necessarily right wing and left wing ideologies? Maybe. But it&#x27;s definitely a mix -- you don&#x27;t see Google spending 100% of its money on social programs, nor do you see it spending 0% of its money on social programs.<p>Does the manifesto author have a reason to write? Yes. He&#x27;s clearly scared, and clearly feels attacked, perhaps on a regular basis, in the workplace. Like many an engineer before him, he attempted to identify the problem and presented several solutions that may or may not work.<p>Now, were the solutions he presented the correct ones? I personally am inclined to say no. Just as Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The article was eloquent and well pointed at specific &quot;problem areas&quot; the author presumed to be at fault. The author did not provide anything to corroborate his hypothesis that things like removal of empathy would do any good to help the situation at Google. Similarly, the author&#x27;s attack on outreach programs aimed at minorities did not make any effort to show how these programs were exclusively harming non-minority participants.<p>Now, obviously, there are questions on the other side of the plane too -- specifically on whether or not diversity initiatives help or whether or not empathy helps either. I haven&#x27;t done this research -- but the author hasn&#x27;t done his research, so I feel this is fair. I&#x27;m just pointing out that Google is a for-profit company. They tend to make decisions that are economically viable, and they may or may not have done research on these types of things in the past -- though I would assume they have. Again, this is a company infamous for A&#x2F;B testing shades of blue for engagement. It would be silly if they were burning their cash pile on programs known to be detrimental or non-working.<p>To summarize: if you write a manifesto, I expect you to pull some figures and prove some points before you start pulling the political party card and getting everyone riled up about your thoughts and opinions. If you read a manifesto, don&#x27;t conflate perceptions as fact without examining and thinking about them closely for a long period of time. It will ONLY lead to pointless arguing and senseless fighting, while the real issue gets ignored.
11thEarlOfMaralmost 8 years ago
Likewise, are they different enough to justify the massive disparity in nursing?<p>As of 2011, 90% of nurses in the US were women[0]. That&#x27;s even more skewed than tech. Moreover, the average income of a nurse in Silicon Valley is $100k. To my knowledge, there is no outcry or movement to bring more men into the nursing profession.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.census.gov&#x2F;people&#x2F;io&#x2F;files&#x2F;Men_in_Nursing_Occupations.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.census.gov&#x2F;people&#x2F;io&#x2F;files&#x2F;Men_in_Nursing_Occupa...</a>
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mcappletonalmost 8 years ago
Women don&#x27;t go into tech because they don&#x27;t like it. Boys like legos, girls like dolls. Sure there are occasional tomboys but the fact is most girls just don&#x27;t like engineering.
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whipoodlealmost 8 years ago
Maybe it&#x27;s okay for people to be outraged about some things.
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russellurestialmost 8 years ago
Regarding the &quot;is it okay to fire this engineer&quot; argument the author is making - here&#x27;s what I&#x27;d ask the author. If you were managing the team this person was on, would you feel comfortable placing a female engineer on the team to work with him knowing the he fundamentally believes women are inadequate engineers?<p>That answer should be &quot;No.&quot;<p>By that alone, that engineer has created a toxic team environment.<p>You can&#x27;t put a female engineer on his team, he can&#x27;t work across teams with other female engineers, he shouldn&#x27;t be interviewing potential female engineers given his obvious bias against them, etc.<p>If this isn&#x27;t a reason to fire someone - what is?
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losteverythingalmost 8 years ago
&lt; But this groupthink terrifies me when it’s used to bully people for exercising their right to free speech. How will we know what people are truly thinking if we rush to silence them?<p>This is called growing up.<p>We dont need to know how everyone thinks. We dont want to know either.<p>We tailor our words to our audience. We avoid saying or typing dumb things.<p>We only say what we really feel to our confidante.<p>These outwardly stupid writings are simply that: bad childish judgement.
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mnm1almost 8 years ago
This idea that all opinions are equal and need to be respected is ridiculous and needs to stop. Politics is real and political opinions and actions have real consequences. Not all political opinions should be respected. In fact, it&#x27;s our duty as citizens to evaluate and mock &#x2F; scorn the opinions of others that we see as toxic. No one is protected from this and people that think they are, are feeling entitled to something that they do not deserve.<p>Protections of free speech apply to government actions only. This isn&#x27;t a free speech case. Google can do whatever it wants, including firing the poster of the manifesto. If Google, for whatever reason or no reason, doesn&#x27;t want such thinking in its organization, it should have no qualms about firing the poster. There is no safe space, except from the government, for political opinions. The poster should know that by know. People have been fired for way less. Many companies would not want a toxic person like that in their midst and that&#x27;s perfectly fine. It creates a toxic workplace and brings everyone else down. That&#x27;s a great reason to fire someone.
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JoshTriplettalmost 8 years ago
&gt; He is one individual in a company that employs more than 72,000 people. Why has Silicon Valley spent the weekend talking about him<p>Because we&#x27;re not talking about a memo posted by one random engineer that got the reaction it deserved for declaring a large fraction of his co-workers sub-standard engineers (among the myriad broken things in that memo). That would have been a story for all of five minutes.<p>Instead, we&#x27;re talking about how a large fraction of a major tech company quickly and enthusiastically endorsed it and circulated it.<p>&quot;Hey, finally someone says it ought to be OK for me to denigrate my co-workers, treat them as sub-standard engineers and sub-standard humans, and propagate junk science to prop up my prejudice! I feel validated!&quot;<p>That this is even <i>remotely</i> a popular sentiment, rather than something that gets you treated like you just said &quot;the earth is flat&quot;, is the story here.
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