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Dung Beetles Navigate via the Milky Way

192 pointsby komuWalmost 8 years ago

13 comments

pavlovalmost 8 years ago
Ancient Egyptians considered dung beetles sacred, and believed that they were responsible for rejuvenating the sun during the night. Egyptians also had a keen spiritual and scientific interest in astronomy.<p>Now it&#x27;s revealed that dung beetles can perceive the galaxy. Coincidence? I think not.<p>Obviously dung beetles are descended from a race of astronavigators who taught the Egyptians everything. <i>They are the ancient astronauts.</i> [Cue theremin music]
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njharmanalmost 8 years ago
This is less surprising if you imagine evolution to be a reinforcement machine learning system. The dung beetle actors are given all the sensory inputs of their environment. Those that used the inputs (which happened to be our galaxy) where better at satisfying goal and thus had higher selection rate for next iteration of system. The actors, much like machine leaning, AI, don&#x27;t have any logic nor any reasoning. They simply are a ludicrously complex, but deterministic state machine of inputs -&gt; mess -&gt; outputs. The mess being seeming unintelligible, not rational, with lots of &quot;cruft&quot;.
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vermontdevilalmost 8 years ago
Saw this in the twitter thread where this topic was started<p>A dung beetle goes into a bar. He doesn&#x27;t order a drink. He just takes a stool.
komuWalmost 8 years ago
I have found the link to the original paper: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dx.doi.org&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.cub.2012.12.034" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dx.doi.org&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.cub.2012.12.034</a>
rexfuzzlealmost 8 years ago
For context: TED talk where navigation via the sun is discussed and shown- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;marcus_byrne_the_dance_of_the_dung_beetle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;marcus_byrne_the_dance_of_the_dung...</a>
olegkikinalmost 8 years ago
But how do they know it&#x27;s not based on just a few bright stars? Milky way is pretty hard to see with our large human eyes. Insect eyes are good for panoramic views, but much less efficient at low light acuity.
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joelrunyonalmost 8 years ago
Here&#x27;s the tweet thread that brought this to the forefront today - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GeneticJen&#x2F;status&#x2F;897153736669356032" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GeneticJen&#x2F;status&#x2F;897153736669356032</a>
laialmost 8 years ago
That dung beetle helmet is hilarious.
mconealmost 8 years ago
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6422393" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6422393</a>
zoom6628almost 8 years ago
Dung beetles 1 Humans 0 There are so many things left to discover and understand on the planet. Great time to be a scientist, or a maker.
samstavealmost 8 years ago
&quot;little cardboard hats&quot;<p>I never thought a dung beetle could sound so cute.
Moshe_Silnorinalmost 8 years ago
What wonders we see in nature.
ythnalmost 8 years ago
Wow, they put the beetles in a planetarium? Nice