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Bezos should put his billions in public libraries

247 pointsby stevenalmost 8 years ago

49 comments

graphitezeppalmost 8 years ago
I would much rather billionaire types take on large issues that governments don't want to touch, like space flight or specific diseases in foreign countries, than something already in service like libraries. Maybe I just have a bias due to having a library just up the street from where I live currently, but I have never not had access to an adequate library in my life time, and only see room for marginal diminishing returns in improving them.
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Overtonwindowalmost 8 years ago
Libraries are an excellent place to put some money. They provide learning opportunities, but many also provide resume and job search training, community meeting places, free internet access, and I think is one of the few "neutral" places in American society. Neutral in that there are few, if any politics involved, and it's an equal opportunity benefit to a community that most people can get behind. Even if they don't use the library, few I think would speak against.
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_jalalmost 8 years ago
This is poorly thought out and edited, because I have to run, but I thought it worth posting. I&#x27;ve been thinking more about libraries lately. I really think it is time to reinvigorate and expand them. Pretty sure I&#x27;m preaching to the converted here about the power of information; I think what some folks miss is just how incredibly valuable libraries are. No, they aren&#x27;t a panacea, but they are a cheap source of immense social good.<p>A lot of people see a building full of books and wonder why it can&#x27;t be replaced by a bank of terminals and Google. I won&#x27;t get in to the relative merits of dead trees vs. electrons, and largely don&#x27;t care about it. What that line of thought misses is two-fold: the librarians and the community space.<p>Decent librarians are hugely underrated resources. Great ones can be incredible. Maybe natural language systems will become good enough in my lifetime to handle some of the vague requests librarians routinely manage to match to the right book, but the leaps of association to related topics, the knowledge of the edge cases of information classification to navigate them well, and the general mass of knowledge they accumulate is massively useful to have on hand. And so few people take advantage of it.<p>Meeting spaces in this context (both formal, sign-up-for-your-group and informal) serve an important role as well. It seems[1] like they&#x27;re becoming rarer as government buildings use security as an excuse to close to the public, and in calling around to private groups with spaces that previously did that sort of thing have been much more reluctant to do so when I&#x27;ve tried to organize things over the last several years.<p>To personalize this a bit, I grew up in a poor family. One thing that was heavily emphasized to me was the value of learning - I think it was reaction to missed opportunities. Who knows what would have happened, but I do know that my college essays (written referencing library books, building on interests fostered in the math and the American Lit sections) would have been very different without them, and I kinda doubt I would have gotten a free ride to a top-10 school if I had been only drawing on what public school offered.<p>I&#x27;d love to see more experiments with libraries. I know some are playing with becoming more &quot;maker-space&quot;-ey, which is a decent thing to explore. I think finding a way to offer peer-classes in whatever - learn Javascript, fancy knitting techniques - would be an interesting thing to try as well. But I&#x27;m bad at seeing opportunities like this. I wonder what people with that super power could come up with.<p>[1] Anecdata alert!
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randyrandalmost 8 years ago
The modern day equivalent of a public library (storing information history) is the internet archive.<p>I think donating to the internet archive would be a better donation which a lot more benefit to society than funding physical libraries.<p>Libraries solve one of the worlds most important problem - keeping societies important information history safe. Websites are not immune to this problem. They require maintenance. When a webpage goes down its gone forever. Without something like the internet archive, we would not have a modern day library equivalent for the web. We are losing a lot of important information. Physical libraries today are in comparison much less important than digital ones.
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jamesredalmost 8 years ago
The problem libraries solved, mostly access to information, has largely been monopolize by the internet. Most, including the third world impoverished, have access to the internet. Therefore the necessity of a library has been largely diminished and inevitably libraries will disappear. Complaining about libraries when people have no sanitation and access to clean tap water sounds largely like a first world problem, as much as I dislike the term.<p>Libraries should evolve with the change of technology and move their function from curation and access to information to something that is able to benefit more people. Books occupy volume and removing them would make more room for desks and rooms where people with no access to quiet areas could use to be more productive.
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karl11almost 8 years ago
I think this is a good idea. I would add YMCAs and similar places.<p>I think one of the best places for a mega-philanthropist to invest would be in the time and places that kids spend outside of public schools. Many of the biggest disadvantages in opportunities for kids are created when they fall behind before and after school and during summers, relative to kids who are better off socioeconomically. These disadvantages compound and are lasting. Safe places to engage in healthy recreation, productive endeavors, and getting something nutritious to eat that they wouldn&#x27;t otherwise have access to would go a long way for underprivileged youth and have an impact for the rest of their lives.
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speedboatalmost 8 years ago
Libraries are great. They should be funded with taxes by society, not the whims of charity.<p>Raise taxes and on people like Bezos and Gates for the needs of society.
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songzmealmost 8 years ago
As much as I hate books, I love public libraries. Our local library (Northside branch santa clara) gives a big conference room every saturday to a team of passionate locals trying to teach themselves programming. My friends and I go there every Saturday to help people who are stuck and give them guidance (what to learn next, how to prepare for interviews, what language is best suitable for what they are trying to do, etc).<p>Talk about diversity, the library is a place where you get to see people from all walks of life outside the silicon valley bubble (different race, age, handicap). It builds a learning community where people have the opportunity to help each other at a more human level.
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saosebastiaoalmost 8 years ago
Here&#x27;s a better idea...and one that will ultimately benefit libraries as well: start buying out all the evil academic publishers, overhaul their technology, get rid of copyright assignment, and offer free access to anyone.<p>Then do the same with legal records, although that is more of a legal problem than a money problem.
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diffeomorphismalmost 8 years ago
The article does not mention ebooks, which is a surprising omission considering it involves Amazon.<p>I don&#x27;t know how it is in the US, but for instance German libraries offer to loan ebooks: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onleihe.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onleihe.net&#x2F;</a><p>Donating ereaders and rights to ebooks to libraries seems more effective than printed books.<p>Big caveats here are Amazon&#x27;s monopoly position, DRM and copyright and loans for ebooks vs. physical books.
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bitLalmost 8 years ago
What&#x27;s the point of libraries these days? We literally have the possibility for everyone to have a &quot;Hitchhiker&#x27;s Guide to the Galaxy&quot; in their pocket with all books that were ever written.
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philippsalmost 8 years ago
Strengthening public libraries is an excellent idea, with lots of public benefits. Libraries are one of the most trusted public institutions in the US and provide a range of key social services including access to education, internet, health information. They also reach and support a demographic that is currently not well served through online-only programs.<p>I co-founded Peer 2 Peer University [1] a non profit that brings people together in learning circles to take online courses. When we switched from online-only to face to face meetings in public libraries we started teaching adults who had fallen out of the education system and who were not benefiting from online courses. And I can&#x27;t say enough positive things about the librarians who we work with.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;p2pu.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;p2pu.org</a>
orikalmost 8 years ago
I’m sure thousands of people have ideas of how Bezos should spend his.<p>Bezos should spend (or not spend) in ways and things he values, to maximize what he gets out of what he’s earned.<p>(P.S. libraries compete with his book selling business! Why wouldn’t he rather sell a ‘library pass’ on a kindle for a monthly subscription?)
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tanilamaalmost 8 years ago
His company hosts a large part of the biggest library ever existed: Internet.
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SJWDisagree111almost 8 years ago
I&#x27;m guessing most of the people here have not been to a local public library in a long time. They have basically become daytime homeless shelters. That is the reason they are no longer attractive for philanthropists.
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tostitos1979almost 8 years ago
I want to give a shout out to a charity called &quot;Room to read&quot;. There is a book about the founder&#x27;s story .. he was one of us (a tech leader at Microsoft). His book and story touched me deeply.
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kolbealmost 8 years ago
Bezos still needs to focus on actually delivering the value that the world has priced into the expectations of his company. He can&#x27;t just retire and collect income off of an existing machine like Gates.
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sjg007almost 8 years ago
Or in school lunches. How about nice healthy food? Lunch should be a class where you learn how to eat.
mellingalmost 8 years ago
“So far, you’ve concentrated on things that might benefit our distant successors” ... “space trave, cancer treatments, AI”<p>I would hope we’re going to make large strides in these in his lifetime. If we could effectively funnel more into R&amp;D sooner, we’d all see the benefits sooner. Cancer(s), for example, might be cured in say 2060 with our current effort, but if we solved the problem by 2030, hundreds of millions would benefit.
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hilyenalmost 8 years ago
Wait, didn&#x27;t he already replace the need for libraries with kindle and kindle unlimited monthly service? Heh.
MrZongle2almost 8 years ago
I think public libraries would be a wonderful beneficiary of Jeff Bezos&#x27; fortune, but I would hope that in the (admittedly unlikely) event that it happens, the bulk of the donated funds are <i>not</i> thrown at shiny &quot;library of the future&quot; initiatives. Not after-school STEM programs, not summer Minecraft redstone programming camps, not 3D printer labs.<p>Just books, staff and facilities: the three things that libraries <i>always</i> need, won&#x27;t become obsolete in a few years, and are equally available to <i>all</i> patrons in an area.<p>Yes, public libraries need to evolve to meet their community&#x27;s needs as they change. But just as a new coat of paint or solar-powered lighting doesn&#x27;t strengthen an aging bridge, focusing on the flair rather than the core of what makes a library a <i>library</i> would be foolhardy.
megamindbrianalmost 8 years ago
Or not? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;paabgg&#x2F;i-bought-a-book-about-the-internet-from-1994-and-none-of-the-links-worked" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;paabgg&#x2F;i-bought-a...</a>
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oconnor663almost 8 years ago
&gt; they&#x27;re the only noncommercial places other than city squares where people meet across genders and ages<p>Church?
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alt_f4almost 8 years ago
No offense to the author, but what a tremendously stupid idea.<p>With technology becoming cheaper and cheaper, right now, you can get a good enough computer to access all the world&#x27;s information (the Internet) for $25. I can imagine that price being more like $5 in the next 10 years.<p>Since the goal of investing is planning for the future, it&#x27;d be an enormous waste to spend all of that money on the antiquated concept of a library. It will be about as useful as investing the money in VHS tapes.<p>Better education-related goals for billionaires: make more of the copyrighted information available for free public use. Help increase access to good quality internet and computers in poor communities.
WalterBrightalmost 8 years ago
By far the biggest barrier to books being available is perpetual copyright.
payne92almost 8 years ago
Libraries are struggling with an identity crisis as printed books become less relevant. It&#x27;s an issue not solved by the injection of billions.<p>Carnegie&#x27;s legacy, the example used in the article, doesn&#x27;t translate to the present.<p>If Bezos wanted to democratize information in a comparable way, perhaps he could underwrite universal access to high-speed Internet. Many many parts of the country still do not have reliable, high-speed, low latency Internet connections.
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em3rgent0rdralmost 8 years ago
As commenters have noted, libraries conflict with Amazon&#x27;s business. How about instead mass produce cheap (low-profit or at-cost) kindles pre-loaded with a large amount of public domain and other free material (including wikipedia offline compressed database). And then bezos will still make money from some of them buying paid kindle books.
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dnprockalmost 8 years ago
My libraries cost $180&#x2F;year through property tax. Most of the books I want to read are checked out. Most of the movies I want to watch are checked out. It takes a lot of time just to find something. I come to library to hang out. We then pick up something to read&#x2F;watch randomly. The system is not very efficient.
stcredzeroalmost 8 years ago
If I were Bezos, I would start a vlogging platform and a competitor to Twitter -- one free of concerns of covert partisan censorship. There would be serious synergies for amazon.com and other Amazon products.
MentallyRetiredalmost 8 years ago
Or, you go earn billions, and then you can decide what to do with them.
jpao79almost 8 years ago
Or maybe arm US public libraries with free to checkout Kindles that have no hardware for WiFi or LTE support and simply are cached with the latest videos from Khan Academy and a significant portion of the most read portions of Wikipedia. The cache would be updated over the air weekly at the library.<p>If the Kindle ever was jailbroken, well then the kid or whoever just learned about jailbreaking&#x2F;hacking. Without Wifi or LTE support, likely no one would really bother.<p>I find this one inspiring: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;curtis_wall_street_carroll_how_i_learned_to_read_and_trade_stocks_in_prison" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;curtis_wall_street_carroll_how_i_l...</a>
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crb002almost 8 years ago
Bezos is putting his billions right where they are best. Re-inventing the supply chain for everything from retail goods to commodity compute.
gondoalmost 8 years ago
everyone knows what to do with other people&#x27;s money
caismanalmost 8 years ago
I agree that billionaries could help society development, but Bezos would not have billions if he invests in public libraries. Nice try.
pravinvaalmost 8 years ago
Is non fossil fuel energy research too hard to be funded? Gates and Bezos etc have funded just about a billion. Why not 20 billion
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yohann305almost 8 years ago
i love libraries but i never go cause i&#x27;m not allowed to sip a coffee. i mean come on, where&#x27;s the fun factor! Wouldn&#x27;t you take the risk of spilling drinks on books rather than preventing people from coming?
denisehiltonalmost 8 years ago
Or maybe donate some of it to the poor? Like Bill Gates?
tambourine_manalmost 8 years ago
I find this titles very off putting.<p>It seems to imply that someone, who wasn&#x27;t competent enough to make billions of their own, is somehow more apt to know how to better spend them than the one that actually did.
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Clubberalmost 8 years ago
We already have libraries, if you are going to presume to tell someone how to spend their money, at least pitch something we don&#x27;t already have.
balls187almost 8 years ago
Fix traffic and housing in Seattle.
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addedlovelyalmost 8 years ago
How about pay some taxes.
HillaryBrissalmost 8 years ago
what a ludicrous idea. libraries lose thousands of books each year to theft and vandalism. what would happen to all those bundles of cash?<p>just keep the money in banks. that&#x27;s what they <i>do.</i>
kazishariaralmost 8 years ago
Now, that would solve that problem now wouldn&#x27;t it.
ckoalmost 8 years ago
Whenever a topic like this gets posted, it feels like the majority of commenters feel &#x27;entitled&#x27; to other people&#x27;s money and think they know best how to spend it. Or the notion they have to &#x27;give back.&#x27;<p>I&#x27;m not rich in the popular sense of the word (besides having the fortune of being American middle class), but I do have investments by virtue of almost never spending on consumer goods. And having no wife or kids. My coworkers realize after years of seeing me drive the same beater correctly assume I&#x27;m in better shape financially, and some have the audacity to jokingly ask me to put them in my will.<p>Now, I will not deny that I am an extremely fortunate person who is cognitively able, like Bezos or anyone well-connected with material wealth, but what&#x27;s with the &#x27;he should donate to this cause instead&#x27;?<p>It&#x27;s his money. He could buy a fleet of yachts, set them on fire, and upload the video footage - why shouldn&#x27;t he be allowed to do that? At what arbitrary level of wealth does &#x27;his&#x27; money become everyone else&#x27;s money?
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jjthebluntalmost 8 years ago
Should is a pretty insulting verb: who is to presume the wisdom to tell another what to do?
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miguelrochefortalmost 8 years ago
Although I don&#x27;t like the government taking my money to subsidize stuff, I&#x27;d rather see them make basic Internet &quot;free&quot; than build and maintain libraries.
simonebrunozzialmost 8 years ago
If I were a Billionaire like Bezos, and read this article, I would think: &quot;it&#x27;s my money. You can be as sure as hell that the last thing I will do is to put it in public libraries&quot;.<p>Seriously. Since when we pick someone else&#x27;s pocket and decide what to do with his money?
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sddfdalmost 8 years ago
Why would anyone think libraries are important in 2017?<p>If things keep getting digitalized at the current speed, all knowledge of the world will be accessible online in our lifetime.<p>Unless you believe that a large percentage of citizens will not be able to afford a device for accessing the internet, libraries are a waste of money.<p>Oh and since librarians were mentioned, if AI keeps advancing, we will be able to have a conversation with a search engine within 30 years. So who needs a librarian?
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tzsalmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;d like to see some billionaire put a lot of money into abortions. The political fight over abortion keeps messing up other things, and a billionaire could fix that.<p>For example, I don&#x27;t think many on the right disagree that funding prenatal care is a good thing--but some major prenatal care providers, such as Planned Parenthood, also provide abortion services and so some politicians want to cut all their funding to make sure none of the Federal money goes to abortions. A whole bunch of women&#x27;s health services get cut in order to make sure there is no chance the money ends up helping abortions.<p>So I&#x27;d like to see some billionaire, or some well-funded charity like the Gates Foundation, build several clinics that provide free abortions around the country in the states with the least restrictions on abortions, and fund a program that provides free travel to and from those clinics for women in the states with restrictive laws that have forced most such clinics to close.<p>Then organizations like Planned Parenthood can get completely out of the abortion business, taking away the major excuse that is used to cut their funding.<p>State legislators can stop spending a lot of time coming up with new ways to try to shut down abortion clinics in their states (because shutting down such clinics will no longer stop the abortions), and state attorney generals can stop wasting time defending those attempts in court, and maybe they will finally realize that the best way to reduce abortions is to make it so people don&#x27;t need them in the first place. Maybe then states like Texas can drop their idiotic &quot;abstinence only&quot; approach to sex eduction (which has resulted in soaring teen pregnancy rates...) and switch to something actually effective.<p>Edit: any down voters care to name specific objections? That Planned Parenthood provides a lot of useful women&#x27;s health services that are not related to abortion should not be controversial. That abortion is the main reason Congress wants to completely defund PP should also not be controversial. That &quot;abstinence only&quot; programs are a massive failure is pretty well documented. That many states keep passing abortion restrictions which then get challenged and often struck down as unconstitutional is not controversial.
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