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The e-mail Larry Page should have written to James Damore

67 pointsby egbalmost 8 years ago

12 comments

sctbalmost 8 years ago
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15020532" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15020532</a>
metalliqazalmost 8 years ago
Pretty good article. The economist can be counted on for insightful takes on current events. I recommend everyone add it to their daily reading list.<p>There is one problem with the article, though. It&#x27;s not going to bring along any of the right-leaning people who are upset about anti-male discrimination and other such things. The article opens (smartly) by calling out “motivated reasoning”. But by the end, it references a list of lefty (from their perspective) links. Perhaps a better interpretation of Damore&#x27;s own references would have been better.<p>Is it so unacceptable to admit that yes, men and women are different, but not mutually exclusive, and that women have plenty of the things the company wants?<p>Edited last sentence for clarification.
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trevynalmost 8 years ago
Larry doesn&#x27;t really send company-wide emails anymore, that&#x27;s Sundar&#x27;s job now.
Aronalmost 8 years ago
Pretty sure in a critically charged environment this article would fare far worse than the one it is criticizing. And the tone is so snotty and condescending.
bberrryalmost 8 years ago
It baffles me how this rebuttal is convincing to anyone. Damore argued group differences are <i>in part</i> responsible for the relatively fewer women in tech. I can&#x27;t see how that over-arching point has been refuted here, no matter how snarky the response.
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FLUX-YOUalmost 8 years ago
What a dumb pretense for an article. If you want to write something criticizing James&#x27; memo, just do <i>that</i>. Don&#x27;t use Larry Page as a scenario for your message and headline.
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keepperalmost 8 years ago
Great article.<p>If anyone who agrees with James Damore&#x27;s point is motivated to see the reason these arguments are summarily dismissed by many, I recommend reading &quot;the mismeasure of man&quot;, by Stephen Jay Gould.<p>The idea of biological determinism has one fatal flaw... the grouping.
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devindotcomalmost 8 years ago
This was definitely the best takedown I&#x27;ve read of not just the claims but the ideas behind the claims made in the memo.
jackcosgrovealmost 8 years ago
The article makes many of the same errors that they accuse Damore of making. It&#x27;s inherent in rhetoric, also known as &quot;motivated reasoning&quot;. I guess whoever draws the line between rhetoric and comprehensive, good-faith arguments wins the day.
DarkKomunalecalmost 8 years ago
&gt; Your memo was a great example of what’s called “motivated reasoning”<p>Guess he&#x27;ll have to join the throngs of people fired for motivated reasoning to arrive at &#x27;diversity is strength&#x27; and &#x27;everyone is equal&#x27;.
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mosdavealmost 8 years ago
so not only has the Economist taken to quoting Game of Thrones, but it now--taking as axiomatic the validity of said quote--projects this assumed validity onto the interpretation of real-world events? What a time to be alive.
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IanDrakealmost 8 years ago
Decries &quot;unsupported claims&quot; then goes on the make a whole bunch of unsupported claims.<p>Not very compelling, which is too bad because I was hoping to read something a lot more succinct.