Slightly OT but maybe helpful: Don't focus too much on the salary. It's just one tiny part of the whole package.<p>Your dev job pays your rent, food and savings. I assume that most dev jobs do this quite well.<p>Beyond this, the main goal of a job is <i>to increase your future market value, your professional network and to have fun.</i> So. basically it's about how much you are worth in your next job and that you enjoy your time.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if you do stuff which doesn't matter in a few years.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if you work at an unknown company which goes bankrupt in a few months and you cannot show a finished product or that you can stay at one job longer than 12 months.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if your coworkers are toxic or not the smartest guys or their English is on such a basic level that the communication and not the coding is your daily challenge.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if your CTO is a passive-aggressive, clueless guy who doesn't talk.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if you just work on some side projects nobody cares about, in a programming language you weren't hired for.<p>A high salary doesn't help you if you are not happy.
In case you are interested, Urban Linker (french recruitment agency) publish somewhat detailed salary stats (in French), last one is form 2016 [0]. This only covers Parisian region, but it's really interesting to see how technology affect the salary.<p>[0] <a href="https://www.urbanlinker.com/le-webzine/etude-des-salaires-des-metiers-tech-2016-en-idf-52" rel="nofollow">https://www.urbanlinker.com/le-webzine/etude-des-salaires-de...</a>
Can't open the doc because it's blocked by my employer. But generally the developer wage is very low in Europe compared with US(Bay area).<p>AFAIK London have the highest salary among european countries, usually handed out by Investment banks and other financial service companies.<p>In London a tier 1 bank's VP developer will typically get £90k-110k base, plus 15-40% bonus. If you work for a hedge fund, the base is typically 10% higher with 10-20% more bonus. To get a VP job in a bank you usually need 7 year+ experience after graduation.<p>In contrast the big tech companies in london pays about 10-20% less base salary than banks, far less cash bonus. But depends on which one you are working for, the RSU could be either similar to the states side or a bit less. The signon bonus is usually quite low as well.<p>Startups in London have very low pay, typically 50-60% of your market value in a bank.<p>So if you are a top developer with 15 years+ experience, works for a top hedge fund in London, you'll most likely take home < £200k, which is like $260, that's only about average wage for a google senior developer.
Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job (<a href="https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/" rel="nofollow">https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/</a>), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle.<p>(From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can work here with an EU passport.)
Data is impossible to read - seems like some people are converting their salary to USD, some others leave it in their home currency and a rare few provide the accurate currency. Interesting initiative though - would love to see this in a better format :)
It always bug me, when developers, people whose main task is passing different data to and fro, are unable to provide information in format that is unequivocal for recipient. Do you really, for example, in systems you create, store or send money data without currency information?
"Annual gross salary": Euro? Dollars? Swedish/Norwegian/Danish crowns? British pounds? Swiss franks?<p>Was this survey created by an American? ;)
How about this: <a href="https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#salary" rel="nofollow">https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#salary</a> ?
Might I suggest you correct 'years at experience' to 'years of experience'<p>otherwise, interesting survey. I hope i'm not too much of an outlier here to mess with the result for uk.
Reading input from my own country it seems I'm grossly underpaid right now.... Makes me feel extremely bad. Perhaps it's time for negotiations with my boss.
After seeing this i'm like i want to start crying. i'm actually a software engineer working on cryptocurrencies devops and system engineering back-end. My tasks wait for that :
1 - coordinate withe clients
2 - write code
3 - deployement
4 - testing (golang)
5 - writing specs
6 - putting down architecture
in tunisia what i get per month around 700€. a ford fiesta in here cost about 13k€.
Ask I suspected based on the salary of a VERY senior developer friend in Barcelona, the pay in Spain is terrible. I make 3x+ what he does and 5x+ most of the salaries in the spreadsheet. Too bad because my wife is Spanish and I'd like to move there some day but I'll have to be retired for it to make sense.
I don't think you're going to get a great response as that's a lot of identifying information you're asking for. Country, Area (optional), years of experience, gross salary and extras is what you really want.
In Finland, experienced developer with relevant skills can make 60-75 k€ year brutto, translating to 40-50 k€ netto. (Though lower salaries are not uncommon.)<p>Taxes are high and progressive, but you'll things like 4 weeks vacation, 3 weeks fully paid parental leave for dads (and partially paid for much longer), free education (incl. universities), free daycare, free healthcare, social security, etc. This is not without problems, of course, but has huge impact on stable, equal society and general safety.<p>(Free = some nominal fees may apply, great majority of costs paid by society.)
This survey should have a field for "total package" or "equity offered" given that has larger implications than just Salary. Free food and other perks also play a large role here.
Super cool initiative.<p>For those complaining about formatting issues ( me as well ). I think someone should fork and re-format the sheet later today and release it back to this thread.
I've tried to visualize Your data with this dashboard<p><a href="https://affliction123.github.io/euDevDash/" rel="nofollow">https://affliction123.github.io/euDevDash/</a><p>please let me know how to improve and what info is interesting for You to present/focus.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15109316" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15109316</a>
Salaries in Serbia can go up to 40-45000 on an annual basis ( taxes can be pretty insignificant). Even though that is not a lot of money, you can live lavish lifestyle of that money, since everything is super cheap ( monthy rent in the city center, 2 room apartment can be found for 300€)
The salary in EU for developers (medium and above) is already lower than developers in big cities (e.g. Beijing, Shenzhen) in China. I guess in the coming years people will try to find job in China for top pay if US is not an option.
Oh dang, missed the "annual" part of that question. I have no idea, would have to calculate holiday wages and stuff... And OP has no contact info in his profile to let him know which entry to update.
On the currency debate: I'd always assume local currency.
I doubt any of these are in USD, unless stated; the default, in this case, is EUR - or indicate.