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Node.js Forked Again Over Complaints of Unresponsive Leadership – The New Stack

41 pointsby taytusalmost 8 years ago

13 comments

mayankalmost 8 years ago
This is really misleading and shoddy reporting. It&#x27;s one disgruntled developer forking over Code of Conduct issues (not even technical). The chances that this will win over any significant traction from the node community is nearly zero.<p>&gt; The Node.js Foundation did not immediately offer a response in time for this story.<p>They also didn&#x27;t put out a press release when I clicked the &quot;fork&quot; button on Github yesterday.
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StevePerkinsalmost 8 years ago
&quot;Again&quot;? Node has 7,660 forks and counting:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;nodejs&#x2F;node" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;nodejs&#x2F;node</a><p>It&#x27;s only notable if any substantial portion of the <i>community</i> forks.<p>The &quot;previous&quot; fork, Io.js, was key moment for Node. Because that was about fundamental technical questions of choosing between stability versus innovation.<p>This appears to be yet another tweet-fight about CoC&#x27;s. I can&#x27;t imagine the community actually fracturing over this, but if it did then I would be fine with that. Let there be one set of conferences for the Douglas Crockford&#x27;s of the world to discuss code, and another set of conferences for people to discuss Douglas Crockford.
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debaclealmost 8 years ago
What the actual fuck. I was expecting a technical rationale. This is all about a witch hunt against a single board member?<p>io.js was a hugely effective fork in moving node forward. This is trying to split a technical project for social reasons. Who is this going to benefit?<p>After looking at the &quot;evidence&quot; below, I&#x27;m not really sure how to feel. Nothing Rod did was particularly noble, but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s all that bad. It&#x27;d register a few hundred millieichs at best. He seems to be a relatively combative guy who might feel slighted by the community - I don&#x27;t know enough about what goes on politically in the node space to judge.<p>This makes me sad. Open source projects are supposed to be about people coming together, about creating something that the entire world can use, leverage, and take value from.<p>Completely unrelated, but somewhere in the linked twitter thread there&#x27;s a great recipe for deviled eggs for no reason I can identify.<p>Edit: This reddit comment is fantastic - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;node&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6vhbit&#x2F;here_we_go_again_nodejs_forked_to_ayojs_iojs&#x2F;dm0lhfh&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;node&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6vhbit&#x2F;here_we_go_aga...</a>
marcofaticaalmost 8 years ago
&gt; Williams charged that Vagg’s presence on the board indicated that the organization is not serious about fostering inclusivity within the community, a frustration she has expressed for well over a year.<p>Good, software isn&#x27;t about being inclusive, it&#x27;s about delivering software. I can&#x27;t imagine how awful it was to work with these women.
benmmurphyalmost 8 years ago
It looks like 4 people left the TSC after the vote failed but only 2 people actually voted to eject Rod [6 against, 2 for and 2 abstains?]. Was there something that prevented people who weren&#x27;t comfortable with Rod being around from voting for him to leave? Though, too be fair I think some of the people who have left have said it wasn&#x27;t because of someone in particular but rather because of how the TSC was working (or not working).
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strictneinalmost 8 years ago
&gt; &quot;In that Tweet, Vagg commented “If you’ve never considered the potential downsides of codes of conduct, here’s a good place to start.”&quot;<p>Well clearly we should burn this heathen.
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randiantechalmost 8 years ago
I do understand the 2015 fork and the technical reasons behind it. But this is non sense.
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ausjkealmost 8 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;nodejs&#x2F;board&#x2F;issues&#x2F;67" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;nodejs&#x2F;board&#x2F;issues&#x2F;67</a> here is the statement from the nodejs side.<p>what exactly is this? what is the &quot;behavior problem&quot; actually? anything to do with &#x27;political correctness&quot;?
okreallywtfalmost 8 years ago
While I&#x27;m not the first to start screaming about free speech when these kinds of issues arise, it seems like a stupid reason to fork the codebase <i>again</i> and split the community. Its a technical solution to a social problem, splitting the community because the guy is an asshole seems immature to say the least.
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flanbiscuitalmost 8 years ago
There was a previous discussion of this a day ago on HN (got the link via reddit) but it&#x27;s showing up as flagged. I&#x27;m not sure why it was flagged as I haven&#x27;t read the full comments myself yet.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15078995" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15078995</a><p>and here&#x27;s the reddit discussion I pulled it from<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;node&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6vhbit&#x2F;here_we_go_again_nodejs_forked_to_ayojs_iojs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;node&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6vhbit&#x2F;here_we_go_aga...</a>
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jessaustinalmost 8 years ago
This whole episode may be pretty silly, but flagging TFA is even worse. We have to know these people are around trying to ruin all our nice stuff... why not read about their shenanigans?
jessaustinalmost 8 years ago
Please edit the title!<p><pre><code> s&#x2F; – The New Stack&#x2F;&#x2F; </code></pre> The &quot;fork&quot; is not called that; that&#x27;s just some random online media brand.
linkmotifalmost 8 years ago
rvagg endorsed this article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;quillette.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;07&#x2F;18&#x2F;neurodiversity-case-free-speech&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;quillette.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;07&#x2F;18&#x2F;neurodiversity-case-free-spe...</a>?<p>What an inane article—WOW!<p>If Isaac Newton showed up in 2017 and bestowed upon humanity the heretofore undiscovered Newtonian Mechanics, humanity would definitely publish those results! He would get by without the 20k Twitter followers. And hey, if he was anti PC and inflammatory he might even get elected POTUS!
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