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The 'Self Drive' Act puts America on the road to reducing congestion

64 pointsby abhi3over 7 years ago

13 comments

Animatsover 7 years ago
The link is to a PR piece from a right-wing lobbyist. The actual bill is here.[1] It&#x27;s mostly about federal preemption. NHTSA can set standards, and states can&#x27;t. There are also some irrelevant giveaways regarding exemption from bumper and crashworthyness standards for low-volume vehicles.<p>The preemption part will allow companies to test self-driving heavy trucks in California, something California DMV does not currently allow. Also, currently the California DMV can revoke the vehicle licenses of a self-driving car manufacturer if they do bad stuff, which DMV did to Uber. DMV can probably still do that.<p>Some of the safety standards are explicitly weak. &quot;The Secretary may not condition deployment or testing of highly automated vehicles on review of safety assessment certifications.&quot; But NHTSA still gets to set standards, and they can order recalls.<p>There&#x27;s not much about liability; this doesn&#x27;t change who&#x27;s responsible for accidents or for vehicle defects. The requirements on manufacturers are mostly toothless - &quot;submit a plan&quot; comes up regularly. There are no privacy standards, so Tesla can watch you in your car as long as they admit somewhere that they do that.<p>Can DMV still make manufacturers submit crash reports and disconnect reports? Not clear. The bill text is <i>IN GENERAL.—Nothing in this subsection may be construed to prohibit a State or a political subdivision of a State from maintaining, enforcing, prescribing, or continuing in effect any law or regulation regarding registration, licensing, driving education and training, insurance, law enforcement, crash investigations, safety and emissions inspections, congestion management of vehicles on the street within a State or political subdivision of a State, or traffic unless the law or regulation is an unreasonable restriction on the design, construction, or performance of highly automated vehicles, automated driving systems, or components of automated driving systems.</i> Now manufacturers get to litigate &quot;unreasonable restriction&quot;. (Some self-driving car companies hate those reports, because they show their technology sucks. Google&#x2F;Waymo is fine with it. Latest accident report: Uber vehicle just taken out of auto mode was rear-ended while stopped.)<p>(The biggest lesson we have so far from self-driving car accidents is that the non-self-driving cars need basic automatic braking to prevent low-speed rear-ending the self-driving cars. Google&#x2F;Waymo cars keep getting rear-ended when they detect they&#x27;re entering an intersection with blocked lines of sight. They&#x27;ll advance a bit into the intersection, detect cross traffic, and stop. The human-driven car behind them then sometimes hits them, at very slow speed.)<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;115th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;3388&#x2F;text" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;bill&#x2F;115th-congress&#x2F;house-bill&#x2F;3388...</a>
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bryanlarsenover 7 years ago
Reducing congestion? Self-driving is going to make congestion much, much worse. Self-driving makes driving cheaper, safer, easier &amp; more accessible. Anytime you do that for anything, usage increases dramatically, often in ways that are difficult to fore see. But it&#x27;s not hard to predict a few:<p>- cheap delivery will be used for everything - people will send and summon vehicles from everywhere. I might drive to work, send my vehicle home so somebody else can use it, summon it at the end of day, and drive home. - et cetera
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brndnmtthwsover 7 years ago
Want to reduce congestion? Invest in public transit infrastructure.
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ouidover 7 years ago
The title could do a lot more to indicate what the Self Drive act actually is.<p>A house committee drafted some legislation that grants the federal government regulatory power over self-driving cars, or rather strips it from state governments. At least as far as it is reported in the article.
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rifficover 7 years ago
You want to reduce congestion and make mobility improvements for many? Look to cities that make cycling a way of life through infrastructure, planning, and design.
mtgxover 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve just seen this infographic showing that 5G connectivity is also about &quot;car to car communication&quot; (among other things):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;DJCxYZ1XoAAm_CL.jpg:large" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;DJCxYZ1XoAAm_CL.jpg:large</a><p>I <i>really</i> hope that&#x27;s just wishful thinking from companies like Qualcomm and wireless operators and <i>not</i> something car makers are actually considering.<p>Making the cars&#x27; critical systems (such as the self-driving systems, which would respond based on other cars&#x27; actions in car to car communication) be accessible from the internet sounds like a terrible idea. This is why I hope this type of law is <i>not</i> rushed, as car makers and companies like Uber and Google&#x2F;Waymo hope it will be.
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saosebastiaoover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m confident in many benefits of autonomous vehicles, but reducing congestion is not one of them. Quite the opposite, actually.<p>Wanna know what happens when you no longer have people looking for parking but rather have them picking up and dropping off at the curb? Visit a busy airport or pickup&#x2F;dropoff curbs at a large suburban elementary school.<p>Now throw in the fact that in order to get to <i>your</i> destination, you&#x27;ll have to drive <i>through</i> those clusterfucks that are caused by <i>other people&#x27;s destinations</i>. Oh, and all the cars that might not be circling looking for parking, but are now circling looking for new passengers. Oh, and all the new cars on the road when lower costs move people from transit into SOVs. That&#x27;s the future, embrace it.
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dayaz36over 7 years ago
25k is less than 1% of most major auto manufacturers yearly production numbers. No article I&#x27;ve read on this news has put that into context and instead praises the legislation as liberating car manufacturers to bring FSD cars to the masses. Most people don&#x27;t read past the headline let alone look into the facts of the article. Also nothing good EVER gets passed legislation unanimously. Last time the House passed legislation this quickly and unanimously was when they passed SOAPA. Something feels fishy about this. I haven&#x27;t read the legislation directly but I bet if a journalist went through it fully, somethings would surface that people wouldn&#x27;t like.
ynnivover 7 years ago
<i>The House Energy and Commerce Committee passed the SELF DRIVE Act with a vote of 54-0.</i><p><i>The act correctly delineates the purview of federal versus state regulation for autonomous vehicles. In short, federal regulatory bodies have authority when it comes to the car, while states have authority when it comes to the driver.</i><p>A bipartisan, unanimous vote to secure future regulator power, story at 11! <i>eyeroll</i> The Federal government gets to regulate the car that drives itself, and the State gets to regulate the driver that&#x27;s actually just a passenger.
dexterdogover 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t get this assumption that SDCs are going to reduce energy usage. Sure, it will be better on a per-mile basis, but people are going to be traveling a lot more than they are now.
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letlambdaover 7 years ago
A new designated felon would be required to sell highly automated vehicles, the Cyber Security Officer.<p>You&#x27;ll sign some documents certifying everything is fine, but of course, everything won&#x27;t be fine. When your cars get hacked you&#x27;ll go to jail for defrauding the government and&#x2F;or manslaughter. I bet it pays real good though.
ilakshover 7 years ago
Does it give them permission to remove the backup driver? In Waymo&#x27;s case it seems like they are mainly waiting for a law that says that and then they can deploy for certain routes and conditions.
revelationover 7 years ago
The idea that a bill &quot;sponsored&quot; by corporations whose sole purpose is selling as many cars as possible will &quot;reduce congestion&quot; is probably the most ridiculous idea this turn of the century.<p>What&#x27;s next? McDonalds innovation on nutrition facts labels to reduce junk fat consumption and improve health outcomes?
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