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Ask HN: Why can't we stop hurricanes?

13 pointsby aashaykumar92over 7 years ago
I googled this and see theories as to how to stop hurricanes -- decrease water temperature under eye of storm, send supersonic jets in to revolve and cause hot air to rise, lasers, etc. -- anyone have a simple reason why these haven&#x27;t been tried or are absolutely crazy?<p>A follow up: so how can we stop hurricanes?

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SAI_Peregrinusover 7 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Orders_of_magnitude_(energy)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Orders_of_magnitude_(energy)</a><p>The energy needed to evaporate the water Harvey dumped on land (33 trillion gallons) is roughly: 40.65 kJ&#x2F;mol (Latent heat of vaporization of water) * 210 mol&#x2F;gal * 33x10^12 gal = 2.8x10^20 J. That&#x27;s over half the entire world&#x27;s energy consumption (not just electricity, also fuel for transportation and such) as of 2010. In about a week. And ignoring the energy in the wind.<p>They&#x27;re simply really, really, big. Causing substantial change to them once they&#x27;ve formed is effectively impossible. Stopping the formation is effectively impossible because weather is chaotic, so small changes in one place can cause large changes elsewhere. You might stop one hurricane forming only to create a different one.<p>The real solution is to kill all the damn butterflies. &#x2F;s
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exabrialover 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve wondered the same thing about tornados in Kansas, yet we still wrecklessly mix our warm moist air and cooler dry air with disregard.
spc476over 7 years ago
This [1] is the NHC report for Hurricane Andrew just prior to landfall in August of 1992. Andrew was small as hurricanes go, and even then, you are talking about hurricane winds (72 MPH&#x2F;116 KPH at the <i>low</i> end, Andrew was 140 MPH&#x2F;225 KPH sustained winds) extending outward from the eye (typical eye diameter is 20 miles&#x2F;32 km) 30 miles&#x2F;45 km. So you are talking about disrupting a cylinder of wind and rain some 50 miles&#x2F;80 km across and what? 4 miles&#x2F;6 km high? That&#x27;s a <i>lot</i> of energy to disrupt. And that&#x27;s for Andrew, a <i>small</i> hurricane. Irma has hurricane speed winds out to 75 miles&#x2F;120 km from the eye, which itself is 23 miles&#x2F;37 km across.<p>Good luck.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhc.noaa.gov&#x2F;archive&#x2F;storm_wallets&#x2F;atlantic&#x2F;atl1992&#x2F;andrew&#x2F;public&#x2F;paal0492.031" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nhc.noaa.gov&#x2F;archive&#x2F;storm_wallets&#x2F;atlantic&#x2F;atl19...</a>
Hasknewbieover 7 years ago
I think it&#x27;s one of those things where people have difficulties realizing the <i>scale</i> of things. For example hurricane Irma is the size of Texas or France. If it hits Florida, people won&#x27;t need to evacuate Miami, they&#x27;ll need to evacuate <i>Florida</i>. Think of the logistics it takes to evacuate a whole state basically overnight, and the <i>size</i> of a threat causing such event: if we barely have the know-how to <i>run away</i> in time, do you think we would have any know-how to block something of that magnitude?
patrick_haplyover 7 years ago
Should we stop hurricanes, even if we can?<p>Yes, hurricanes are destructive, especially to human settlements, but I&#x27;d be surprised if there aren&#x27;t massive ecological benefits to hurricanes in spite of (or possibly because of) the destruction. Forest fires, for example, have well-documented, long-term ecological benefits. Unfortunately it looks like hurricanes aren&#x27;t studied as much as forest fires.<p>Just doing some cursory researching online [1] [2], it looks like they basically act as dramatic &quot;flushing&quot; mechanisms:<p>- end droughts<p>- distribute heat from the equator towards the poles<p>- seed dispersal<p>- redistribute soil&#x2F;sediments along coastlines and inlane<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weather.com&#x2F;storms&#x2F;hurricane&#x2F;news&#x2F;hurricane-landfall-benefits-2016" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weather.com&#x2F;storms&#x2F;hurricane&#x2F;news&#x2F;hurricane-landfall...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sciencing.com&#x2F;positive-effects-hurricane-4462.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sciencing.com&#x2F;positive-effects-hurricane-4462.html</a>
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dagskeover 7 years ago
How can we stop hurricanes? First, accept that climate change is real. Second, act on it.<p>Year after year the global temperature increases and year after year the hurricanes get stronger. All real climate scientists will tell you there&#x27;s a correlation.
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bruceboughtonover 7 years ago
You Americans, thinking you can control everything...
apiover 7 years ago
The energy requirements to influence a hurricane are on the order of the entire output of the US power grid... At a minimum.
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learn_moreover 7 years ago
How about coating the sea surface with a very thin layer of oil to reduce evaporation?
nyxtomover 7 years ago
Stop pumping excess heat energy into the atmosphere.<p>EDIT: While this won&#x27;t stop them from happening, this is definitely not helping things.
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tomglynchover 7 years ago
They&#x27;re absolutely crazy.
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smegelover 7 years ago
How about a really, really big fan?
iamshyamover 7 years ago
Coz there is no such thing as a hurricane.
clumsysmurfover 7 years ago
Trump&#x27;s wall can keep out those hurricanes ...
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