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Is StubHub's Website Deceiving Users?

270 pointsby suryeover 7 years ago

27 comments

dyladanover 7 years ago
Creating a false sense of urgency is a cornerstone of modern marketing. The only difference between this and any other marketing campaign is that you just happened to catch them this time.<p>This is just like when you go to an electronics store and they put the super expensive tv (almost) nobody buys right next to the still very expensive but comparably more modest model. You are more likely to buy that second tv even if costs more than you initially budgeted because your brain tells you that this is the cheaper model with _almost_ the same features as the flagship tv.<p>For another example, many ecommerce sites will list the number available in stock if it is low, and sometimes will just say &quot;few available&quot; without specifying a number. This creates the same (sometimes false) sense of urgency.
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krrrhover 7 years ago
Booking.com are the all-time kings of this approach. The search results page is littered with highlighted messages like.<p>“4 people are looking at this room now”<p>“2 people just booked at this hotel”<p>“Too bad you already missed out on this hot deal”<p>“X% of the neighbourhood&#x2F;city&#x2F;region you’re looking at is already booked!”<p>...<p>It’s quite likely real information, but the timeframes and language are vague enough to make you feel like you’ve got about 5 minutes to lock a room down. They do such a good job at instilling anxiety that you feel like you achieved something important when you finally book.
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jordancolburnover 7 years ago
Company responded and said they removed the &quot;feature&quot;. They confirmed to me that it was part of an AB test (which I had seen in the code), but did not confirm or deny my suspicion that the AB was used to apply it only to events where it was less likely to be discovered.<p>I was half-jokingly going to ask for tickets to the game, lol. But after they requested I post an update and clarify their response to removing the feature, it just felt wrong. I mean, I&#x27;m glad they removed it, but that&#x27;s a pretty big thing to act like it should all just be OK and it&#x27;s a &quot;feature&quot; users didn&#x27;t like. And I think their urgency in removing it only shows how bad it really was, not how concerned they are for users.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;StubHub&#x2F;status&#x2F;907384565085257729" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;StubHub&#x2F;status&#x2F;907384565085257729</a>
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mcescalanteover 7 years ago
This reminds me of this tweet about Verzion&#x27;s &quot;agents waiting&quot; implementation on their website fetching the real count one time and then randomly changing via Math.random(): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mixonic&#x2F;status&#x2F;736575632226852865?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mixonic&#x2F;status&#x2F;736575632226852865?lang=e...</a>
chasbover 7 years ago
I wonder if the FTC would be interested in this. Section 5 of the FTC Act lets the agency regulate deceptive marketing practices. The FTC&#x27;s test for deception has three requirements:<p>1. There must be a representation, omission, or practice that misleads or is likely to mislead the consumer.<p>2. The act or practice must be considered from the perspective of the reasonable consumer.<p>3. The representation, omission, or practice must be material.<p>The post suggests StubHub is making very specific misrepresentations about specific ticket rights; the tactic here would deceive a reasonable consumer; and the misrepresentation is made to induce the sale.
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mbestoover 7 years ago
But growth hacking right?<p>In all seriousness, I love how techniques like this are &quot;ok&quot; when the company is considered a &quot;startup&quot;, but when it suddenly becomes &quot;evil megacorp&quot;, it&#x27;s all of the sudden considered deception.
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ghostbrainalphaover 7 years ago
Music Festivals use this same concept. By having pricing tiers for tickets you can have more &quot;sold out&quot; events, as they happen at each stage, driving interest.<p>It works, and it is REAL unlike the javascript you see here, but it is still stupid.<p>Can you imagine going to a Donut shop in the morning that had just sold 10% of its daily inventory and them putting up a SOLD OUT sign for Tier 1 Early Bird donuts?<p>I hope one day marketers find a better solution for generating interest in their products.
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klodolphover 7 years ago
The key deception with StubHub is that you&#x27;re not actually buying tickets, you&#x27;re actually giving away put options for free.
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joeaxover 7 years ago
Just to be clear, it isn&#x27;t that it&#x27;s taking the top few listings and randomly marking as sold, but that the code is going out and retrieving what appear to be already sold listings (as stored in the <i>urgencyMessageListings</i> variable), and just injecting the top 2 from that array randomly in positions 1-5 in the main list (through a Array.splice() call).<p>While somewhat deceiving, it&#x27;s not as bad as marking tickets that haven&#x27;t sold as sold. Imagine if you were trying to sell your tix at the last minute, well that would be bad. (I&#x27;ve sold tix at the last minute before and that would scare me.)
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AngelloPozoover 7 years ago
Providing a user with a list of recently or relevant tickets being sold is cool. But Manually adding them to a user list does not help the customer. Especially if they mark them as sold after being &quot;available&quot;.
artursapekover 7 years ago
Some poor programmer had to grit his teeth and implement this while pressured by his &quot;agile&quot; &quot;product&quot; &quot;manager&quot; to &quot;finish the sprint&quot;.
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javabean22over 7 years ago
So one time I bought tickets to a concert from Stubhub. Then the headliner cancelled their appearance due to unforeseen circumstances and what not. But the concert was not cancelled as there were extra acts who would still perform. The headliner&#x27;s website informed ticket holders that they could get a full refund &quot;at the place of purchase&quot; if they wanted. I asked Stubhub about that, their reply was (I&#x27;m paraphrasing): &quot;Get f..cked. No refund, no nothing.. We don&#x27;t care.&quot;
mwexlerover 7 years ago
Didn&#x27;t Uber have a similar issue? You open the app, see multiple cars around you, so initiate a request, only to discover that the nearest car is actually not that near (and won&#x27;t take your request)? Uber later said that the display of cars was just representative, that it wasn&#x27;t revealing the real location or amount of cars near you on purpose to protect privacy of drivers... but that seemed a bit disingenuous.
pfediganover 7 years ago
Where has ethics gone to in the corporate world?<p>I also came across them displaying say only 4 tickets for what it seems like a sold out event but in reality it was never sold out and the prices were cheaper on the day of the actual event.<p>I recall seeing something along the lines of the event being almost sold out.<p>Maybe Stubhub only had 4 tickets during that time so I could be wrong. It is a sale from ticket holder to ticket holder.
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kbensonover 7 years ago
&gt; if (!globals.hideUrgencyMessage &amp;&amp; SH.mbox.justSoldEvent &amp;&amp; urgencyMessageListings &amp;&amp; urgencyMessageListings.length) {<p>Have you considered that SH.mbox.justSoldEvent might be noting that there were recent sales, and while they weren&#x27;t <i>just</i> sold as the page was loaded, the system may actually indicate that sales are happening and to be aware that the listings may not persist in the current state for long?<p>As of right now, SH.mbox.justSoldEvent is undefined for me, but they may have specifically disabled the system (or only use it if there are sales but not too many). Looking at the seller&#x27;s interface on SH for this, the last three transactions happened within 10 minutes of when I loaded the sales data, and each were for a pair. Looking at the sales data I can see that the two you had shown to you were consecutive transactions at 2017-09-11T17:45:40.000Z and 2017-09-11T17:38:55.000Z, which I&#x27;m willing to bet were the two most recent sales when you loaded the page.<p>If that&#x27;s what&#x27;s going on, it&#x27;s not <i>only</i> for SH&#x27;s benefit. This also signals to buyers what&#x27;s selling right now, and what migh be sold soon in case you are eyeing a particular listing but are holding off for some reason. If similar things have sold recently, maybe that set won&#x27;t still be there if you wait a few minutes. This isn&#x27;t necessarily simulated demand, but <i>real</i> demand, the same as if you were in a store and watching a particular item fly off the shelves. If the stock is depleted, you might not be able to get one, so knowing people are buying them might influence whether you feel secure in waiting for a bit or not.<p>(For what it&#x27;s worth, I do not work for nor have ever worked for StubHub, but I do work in the event ticketing industry so are familiar with them and how to use them).
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mcescalanteover 7 years ago
I have gone to Stubhub a few times now to try to replicate this, and searched for tickets for popular NFL and MLB teams, and I can&#x27;t get this &quot;Sold&quot; thing to work the way this posts shows it - actually it doesn&#x27;t happen at all for me. Has anyone else been able to replicate the &quot;sold after load&quot; behavior? Is it only on specific events?
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patmcguireover 7 years ago
&quot;ugrency-message&quot;
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bau5over 7 years ago
If they&#x27;d used a minifier, most or all of this embarrassment could have been avoided.
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swrobelover 7 years ago
They just disabled it, so I guess that’s a win...? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;stubhub&#x2F;status&#x2F;907384565085257729" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;stubhub&#x2F;status&#x2F;907384565085257729</a>
wyqydsyqover 7 years ago
I&#x27;d argue they aren&#x27;t deceiving users as those tickets <i>were actually sold</i><p>It would be deceiving if they showed an artificially falling stock counter or something to that effect, but in reality they are showing actual true data, it is only the way in which they show it (randomly inserted amongst search results) that can cause a sense of urgency, but there is still no deception here.
yeukhonover 7 years ago
I am only a user, but I find TickPick a solid alternate choice to all other ticket sales sites. The &quot;no BS hidden fee&quot; got me hooked up (plus the company always give out promo code). Other products aren&#x27;t as transparent.<p>But this sort of false urgency is misleading and should be illegal.
hatcherdoggover 7 years ago
SH: Deceive until we get caught, then we will &#x27;listen&#x27; to our customers and adapt.<p>Blegh.
lbillover 7 years ago
I can&#x27;t believe thay did such a deceptive manipulation in JS! We can acces this JS code, how stupid are they?!
scottrogers86over 7 years ago
Airbnb is also adopting this strategy.
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hartatorover 7 years ago
I haven&#x27;t heard of this website before. Don&#x27;t forget that bad publicity is still publicity.
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mdipover 7 years ago
This is an interesting play on a very old con game[0] that was common in used car dealerships and appliance shops.<p>It works like this: You walk in, interested in buying. You talk with the salesman, settle on a car but are having cold feet&#x2F;want to talk it over with your spouse, etc. Just as you&#x27;re about to &quot;walk away&quot;, an employee dressed down to appear as a customer, swoops in and makes a &quot;cash offer&quot; on the car you were interested in. Haggling ensues with the other guy protesting that &quot;you weren&#x27;t going to buy it, so I want it!&quot; and you reluctantly put a down payment on it to keep it from being stolen out from under you (good old loss aversion at its finest).<p>Alternatives to this include having an appliance&#x2F;couch that is not ridiculously, but significantly marked down from its street price that the salesman is convincing you to buy. Your sales guy talks about what a great unit it is and its great price and you&#x27;re ready to pay and take it home when he springs on you that the &quot;Sold&quot; sign fell off the unit and conveniently slid underneath it. Not to worry, of course, because there&#x27;s just as good of a deal on the upgrade and even though it&#x27;s a few hundred more, he&#x27;ll knock the same hundred or so off of that price that the other was marked down, so it&#x27;ll cost more, but it&#x27;s a better unit[1].<p>Of course, the more expensive unit isn&#x27;t -- really -- more expensive, or better than the one you were looking at, it&#x27;s just marked at a price they can actually sell it for and make money. The other one wasn&#x27;t even for sale in the first place, it&#x27;s a prop. This is <i>exceptionally</i> common at middle-class furniture stores where the prices listed on <i>everything</i> are MSRP and the product <i>never</i> sells for that price with even the lowest-on-the-rung sales guys having a percentage on the price that they&#x27;re allowed to discount without approval[2]. It gives the salespeople the lee-way to make you feel like you&#x27;re getting a good deal and pull stunts like this to up their commission&#x2F;the stores profits. When I worked retail (not commission), this was a common practice and that &quot;more expensive item&quot; often had a bonus attached to it for the salesperson (sometimes money, sometimes free stuff).<p>It&#x27;s interesting to see some of this playing out in the digital world, which basically eliminated a lot of these practices because you can instantly compare pricing&#x2F;products among many sellers&#x2F;stores, but there&#x27;ll always be ways to play at the weaknesses of the buyer.<p>[0] Which I thought was a clearly defined illegal practice, like &quot;bait and switch&quot; is known to be. But might not be (though as some have mentioned, the FTC might have an opinion on the subject).<p>[1] ...and this is <i>basically</i> a form of bait and switch, but it&#x27;s a lot easier to get away with and falls into a grayer area depending on the jurisdiction (usually a product that isn&#x27;t available has to be advertised at a great price where upon arrival to purchase the product, an alternative, higher-profit item is peddled with the company having never had any intention of selling the cheap product).<p>[2] Though a really common way of convincing a customer that they&#x27;re getting a great deal is to bring that manager in to do the ceremony of granting a discount even though the sales guy could have done it himself. &quot;Since it was my fault in trying to sell you something that was already sold, I&#x27;ll explain that to the GM and see if we can give you a bigger discount for the cock-up.&quot;
agjacobsonover 7 years ago
Many people lack a gut level understanding of this concept: a vendor who deep discounts or sells at cost can generate almost arbitrarily large revenues. For a while.
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