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The Struggle with Where the Sidewalks Won't Go

169 pointsby samsolomonover 7 years ago

30 comments

tallblondeguyover 7 years ago
Empathy is a big way to raise awareness.<p>When I had kids and started walking them around in a stroller, you learn really quickly where the sidewalks with ramps are, and you (and your toddler who likes to help!) come to appreciate the buttons that open doors automatically.<p>I run as well, and it&#x27;s not fun to trip on uneven sidewalks. Sometimes at night I&#x27;d rather run on the road where I can count on a more even surface and no branches hitting me in the face. I think I&#x27;m more inclined to shovel my sidewalk in the winter because I don&#x27;t like running on compressed snow that melted in the sun and refroze overnight.<p>So...yeah! Fix this stuff for disabled people, and other people get to benefit. Sidewalks are for everyone.
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alistairSHover 7 years ago
While I understand her frustration with the lack of sidewalk ramps, the article went on to describe other places her wheelchair cannot go - like small lips in doorways, or small branches.<p>Pavement cracks. It should be fixed, but that takes time and money. And able-bodied pedestrians are unlikely to report minor cracks. Shouldn&#x27;t a $30,000 wheelchair be capable of traversing commonly encountered impediments? Cracks in pavement, small branches, doorway thresholds? The article states her wheelchair cannot. That seems like a major design flaw to me.
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sulamover 7 years ago
Something in this article really jumped out at me:<p>&quot;...plus only 16.9 percent of Atlanta households have no vehicle...&quot;<p>Really? &quot;Only&quot; 16.9%? If I told a product manager that &quot;only&quot; 17% of people use iOS 9, so we don&#x27;t need to support it, I&#x27;d get laughed out of the meeting.
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danesparzaover 7 years ago
This is a HUGE problem here in the south. I moved from Arizona to Georgia in 2012 and the two things I noticed immediately are: There are hardly any sidewalks outside of the city (and people routinely are forced to walk on the side of the road), there are almost NO lit highways. Even major interstate highways that go through the heart of Atlanta aren&#x27;t lit! Both of these strike me as enormous lawsuits waiting to happen.
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m3rcover 7 years ago
Small and midsized US cities desperately need a small (or large) urban planning revolution. Cars are considered the &quot;default&quot; too often, especially in cities under half a million in population. It&#x27;s these cities in particular that need to have an increased focus on pedestrian and assisted walking infrastructure.
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Stronicoover 7 years ago
Nowhere in this article does in mention that it is city in a forest (we bill ourselves as &quot;Tree City USA&quot;), nor that we encourage people to plant trees right by the sidewalks for shade and decoration. You need a permit to cut down a tree of any size (five inches in diameter IIRC) and those permits are often denied if the tree is healthy. Not that that applies in the central business district, but still.<p>It&#x27;s a tradeoff, like everything else. When taking the trees into account, Atlanta&#x27;s sidewalks are about as well maintained as the rest of Atlanta&#x27;s infrastructure
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knodi123over 7 years ago
Cute bit of artwork at the beginning there. This is the picture they&#x27;re making an homage to:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;GHPkt3M" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;GHPkt3M</a>
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Yizahiover 7 years ago
This is how we do wheelchair ramps in ex-USSR: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3pUfeLWyv1I" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3pUfeLWyv1I</a><p>PS: every time I visit Europe I often wonder that there are so many wheelchairs. In Eastern Europe you may go around capital city center for weeks without seeing one. It is that bad, even in 2017.
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Divverover 7 years ago
When I moved into Silicon Valley I noticed the same thing!<p>In many Silicon Valley towns like Mountain View and Sunnyvale the sidewalks suddenly just stop and you’re forced to walk on the side is the road.<p>And in Cupertino many streets aren’t lit or very badly lit that it’s almost pitch black...<p>I never noticed these things before coming to California and I grew up in a small town near Boise, ID.<p>Streets were well lit and sidewalks did not just end.<p>And Idaho has a minuscule State tax revenue compared to California is so it shocked me this was an issue in these high income Silicon Valley towns.
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supernumeraryover 7 years ago
Vertical Discontinuity baby.<p>Michigan recently passed legislation protecting local municipalities from lawsuits where sidewalks in disrepair are to blame.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.legislature.mi.gov&#x2F;documents&#x2F;2015-2016&#x2F;billintroduced&#x2F;House&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;2015-HIB-4686.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.legislature.mi.gov&#x2F;documents&#x2F;2015-2016&#x2F;billintrod...</a><p>Gist here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michiganvotes.org&#x2F;2015-HB-4686" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michiganvotes.org&#x2F;2015-HB-4686</a><p>While Michigan (esp. Detroit) is exceptional in many respects this kind of legislation whereby neglected infrastructure is no longer a liability for the state is likely to spread.<p>The sidewalks in Detroit are especially heinous. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iainmait.land&#x2F;img&#x2F;photos&#x2F;1920&#x2F;street_crossing_2_2017_iain_maitland.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iainmait.land&#x2F;img&#x2F;photos&#x2F;1920&#x2F;street_crossing_2_2017...</a>
TKinNCover 7 years ago
This is why cities are going broke.<p>I live on a small farm in the middle-of-nowhere NC. (20min to even a gas station) I&#x27;m currently working with our local zoning dept. to get approval to use my barn in a home-occupation. Even though I&#x27;m far away, will have zero employees, and no customers on the property - I&#x27;m STILL being forced to spend close to $3K to retrofit for ADA compliance.<p>Life is not fair. Trying to sue and regulate this country into everyone&#x27;s idea of &quot;fairness&quot; will bankrupt us and destroy any concept of freedom we still have left.
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VLMover 7 years ago
This seems very anecdotal, Atlanta will get its hand slapped and the problem will go away.<p>In the frozen north where the frost depth is four feet, somehow our sidewalks look new compared to the pictures. Mere simple mismanagement in Atlanta. The sidewalk in front of my house was poured in 1983 per the stamp, and its basically level and even. That&#x27;s after 34 northern winters. The decayed sidewalks in the article must be over a century old or horribly corruptly installed.<p>There must be a severe lack of parking or even alleyways. If you want to live the hyper high density urban bug man dream, there will be costs such as no where to park and no ramps from parking to the street to drive wheel chairs upon.<p>There might be more to the story intentionally not reported so as to slant the coverage; perhaps its a historical district where if there were no ramps in 1830, then installing a ramp in 2017 will get you sued by the historical commission. Again, if you voluntarily live somewhere unsuitable for modern standards of living, there is no reason to feel sorry for a fool, if that is the case.
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Jemaclusover 7 years ago
I feel for the author. When I was in college, I ran into a similar issue. I&#x27;m not in a wheelchair, but one of my oldest friends from childhood is wheelchair-bound. Every day or two we would go eat lunch or dinner down the street from campus. The main intersection between campus and where all the fast food joints were was a busy, busy intersection with red lights. There were no ramps. To get across the intersection, she would have to go down the street to someone&#x27;s driveway, wait for a chance to cross, then cross the street with traffic coming in both directions. In the dark, this was absolutely terrifying.<p>After one particularly harrowing crossing, I insisted that she call the City and ask about what they could do. She just brushed me off, saying that they wouldn&#x27;t care. I pushed her and pushed her, but she wouldn&#x27;t do anything.<p>So I called City Hall the next day, and I said, &quot;Hi, I&#x27;m Jemaclus. I&#x27;m in a wheelchair and attend the university. There&#x27;s no wheelchair ramp at the intersection of 1st and Main, so I have to go down the street and cross from someone&#x27;s driveway. Is there anything we can do to fix this?&quot; (Yes, I made a white lie.)<p>The lady snapped into action immediately. &quot;Don&#x27;t you worry. I&#x27;ve got this,&quot; she said.<p>The very next day, construction workers were putting in an accessible ramp on the corner, and four days later, my friend and I were able to safely and securely cross the intersection.<p>I have two hypotheses that are not mutually exclusive about what happened:<p>1. The City probably has a budget allocated to ADA compliance or infrastructure improvements or something. It&#x27;s also probably a use-it-or-lose-it situation. If you call and point out something, they&#x27;re HAPPY to do it, because otherwise they lose the money next year.<p>2. The City definitely doesn&#x27;t want to be sued for ADA non-compliance, and they will probably move with all haste toward a reasonable solution. In this case, it was a no-brainer: a wheelchair-accessible ramp at a busy intersection with tons of pedestrians.<p>I would encourage anyone who runs into these kinds of problems in public areas (the author&#x27;s problem was actually private property, so...) to actually call the City Hall and politely inform them of the problem, explain how it&#x27;s dangerous, and ask how &quot;we&quot; can fix it. In all likelihood, they will probably respond immediately and in a positive fashion due to the above reasons. It might not happen overnight like mine did, but eventually they&#x27;ll want to cover their asses from an ADA lawsuit.<p>For the record, my backup plan would have been a letter to the editor of the local paper, and then talking to an attorney.
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oftenwrongover 7 years ago
Boston is better about accessibility in general, but it is much worse during the winter. Sidewalk snow and ice removal is left as the responsibility of the abutting property owner. The result is a patchwork of pedestrian connectivity that varies meter-by-meter. Wheelchair users and even fully-able people are often seen walking off of the sidewalk, alongside motor traffic. In theory, the property owners should be kept in line by fines, but enforcement is lacking, and the fines are insignificant relative to the value of property in Boston.<p>The roads, though? Promptly plowed and salted by the city on a continuous basis.
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post_breakover 7 years ago
They just built this nice pedestrian bridge that goes along a 6 lane 45mph road by my place. It&#x27;s got a nice trail on either side, that completely dead ends and you have to try to walk on a 30 degree incline of grass next to the road, or brave getting hit by cars doing 55mph on a road with no shoulder. There are two ways to get around this large bay and this is one of them. The other way is this bridge: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pics4.city-data.com&#x2F;cpicc&#x2F;cfiles38924.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pics4.city-data.com&#x2F;cpicc&#x2F;cfiles38924.jpg</a>
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sol_remmyover 7 years ago
Funny how no one in this thread even mentions that sidewalks cost a great deal of money to build.<p>&quot;How dare cities in southern states refuse to build sidewalks for their residents! Sidewalks are essential to quality of life!&quot;<p>There is no mention of money. No mention that people in southern cities PREFER lower taxes which means less government services.<p>For anyone from the New England or Colorado or the West Coast: you have great livable cities with lots of amenities but those come at the cost of higher taxes and more regulations. Southern cities may not share your civic culture.
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peter303over 7 years ago
In my town (Denver) ADA lawsuits is practically a competitive sport. Nuisances dont last long because the fine can be more than the remediation cost. And ACLU is a major participant.
crooked-vover 7 years ago
The idea that individual property owners should be independently responsible for sidewalk maintenance boggles my mind. I had a hell of a time just getting a metal fire door replaced to comply with my HOA... I dread to think how much time and effort it would take to find a contractor who could put in matching paving slabs for an existing sidewalk even if you wanted to.
memracomover 7 years ago
Sounds like a good reason to emigrate to Canada.<p>Canadians would never tolerate sidewalks in such horrible condition. And governments in Canada (municipal, provincial, federal) are used to spending money on the wellbeing of citizens.<p>Let&#x27;s face it, the USA is broken and even if Trump does manage to fix it, the repair work will take many years.
ballenfover 7 years ago
I&#x27;d say use the road if the sidewalks aren&#x27;t traversable and it can be done safely. Is it illegal for a wheelchair to use car lanes?<p>Pissing off motor traffic is probably the fastest way to get the sidewalks fixed.<p>Even if it is illegal, I can&#x27;t imagine a judge not throwing out the citation if you show pictures like that.<p>edit to address the replies: my suggestion was admittedly somewhat tounge-in-cheek and, no, I wouldn&#x27;t recommend anyone take the risk. Would I do it as performance art? No, because a judge&#x2F;newspaper&#x2F;observer would see it as a stunt undermining the whole argument and possibly even harm the cause.
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cafardover 7 years ago
If you cross Chestnut St. NW in Washington, DC, from Western Avenue to Oregon Avenue, you will see &quot;No Sidewalks in Hawthorne&quot; signs, but now also &quot;Yes, Sidewalks in Hawthorne&quot;. The No signs are older, and the opposition had some odd arguments--sidewalks would lead to more crime. (Who is that is ready for burglary or robbery, but afraid to walk in the street?)<p>In my own neighborhood there are arguments back and forth. I&#x27;d be happy to see sidewalks added where they aren&#x27;t, but I&#x27;d hate to see mature trees damaged.
tmnvixover 7 years ago
Reminds me of Andres Duany&#x27;s presentation to San Diego local government officials[1]. It&#x27;s very funny and very informative. A highlight for me was when he was discussing an artist&#x27;s impression of what amounts to an urban wasteland and points out that, yes, that lone pedestrian in the picture is &quot;theoretically possible&quot;. Well worth a watch.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rwd4Lq0Xvgc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rwd4Lq0Xvgc</a>
macintuxover 7 years ago
In my city (Indianapolis) there&#x27;s been a moratorium on new street lights for decades, although that&#x27;s finally changing.<p>Combining no street lights with crappy (or no) sidewalks is literally deadly. Teenaged girl was killed in a hit and run 100 feet from my front yard a couple of years ago. People in wheelchairs have been hit and killed in other parts of the city.<p>So many ways to improve, so little political pressure to do it.
ArlenBalesover 7 years ago
The sidewalks in my city are a joke. They&#x27;re incredibly broken and irregular. The streets have potholes that last for months before filled, if at all. Infrastructure in a lot of cities of the U.S. is so piss poor, and I don&#x27;t know why it isn&#x27;t made more a priority in our country.
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shmerlover 7 years ago
Some places are so bizarrely designed, what were their city planners thinking? And I don&#x27;t mean badly made sidewalks. I mean no sidewalks at all!<p>I suppose the car makers lobby really killed proper city planning in such places.
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autokadover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m not disagreeing with the need for sidewalks and them to be accessible to everyone, but ....<p>in the story, why didnt the husband go get the car and pick her up?
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matz1over 7 years ago
If I&#x27;m disabled seem to be more effective for me if I instead use better accessibility device then pushing for sidewalk improvement.
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ljcrabsover 7 years ago
Good article, but did anyone notice the design itself? What a beautiful website. Dynamic while still easy to read.
sandworm101over 7 years ago
Im all for access but there will and must be a point where flat&#x2F;hard surfaces stop. Trails are a thing, so too gravel roads. We cannot pave the planet. Sure, those in wheelchairs should be able to access city parks but if we say thay they must have total access then we hurt the definition of park. I dont want to see a situation where entry is denied to all, a park not created, because the location cannot be made 100% wheelchair friendly. Nor do i want to see green spaces turned into endless sidewalks.
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dsfyu404edover 7 years ago
I&#x27;d take wide shoulders over sidewalks any day. Wide shoulders increase safety for many more people. People on bikes can use them. Pedestrians can walk on them. People pushing strollers can use them. You can change a tire on them. Drivers can use them to navigate obstructions (like people who cannot promptly take a left turn). Drivers can pull over and re-tie down a tarp that&#x27;s too loose or change a tire. Snow plows can easily clean them. They&#x27;re cheaper (than dedicated sidewalks) to build and maintain and don&#x27;t need curb cuts.<p>Using banked curbs everywhere is another more useful alternative to normal sidewalks (less useful to some pedestrians but create a larger perceived separation from traffic than a shoulder and impossible to kill a tire while parallel parking)<p>Edit: At least offer up a counter opinion if you&#x27;re gonna down-vote.
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