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Request for Education Startups

178 pointsby hobaakover 7 years ago

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shanevover 7 years ago
Naval Ravikant&#x27;s tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]:<p>1&#x2F; If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing.<p>2&#x2F; Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials.<p>3&#x2F; Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $Bs doing this for young founders.<p>4&#x2F; The more meritocratic an industry, the faster it moves away from false credentialing. I.e., the MBA and tech startups.<p>5&#x2F; A generation of auto-didacts, educated by the Internet &amp; leveraged by technology, will eventually starve the industrial-education system.<p>6&#x2F; Until then, only the most desperate and talented students will make the leap.<p>7&#x2F; Even today, what to study and how to study it are more important than where to study it and for how long.<p>8&#x2F; The best teachers are on the Internet. The best books are on the Internet. The best peers are on the Internet.<p>9&#x2F; The tools for learning are abundant. It’s the desire to learn that’s scarce.<p>10&#x2F; Educational credentials are badges that admit one to the elite class. Expect elites to struggle mightily to justify the current system.<p>11&#x2F; Eventually, the tide of the Internet and rational, self-interested employers will create and accept efficient credentialing...<p>12&#x2F; ...and wash away our obsolete industrial-education system.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;naval&#x2F;status&#x2F;912220382450524160" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;naval&#x2F;status&#x2F;912220382450524160</a>
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graniterover 7 years ago
It seems to me that education needs its own &quot;industrial revolution.&quot; Education with 30 kids and a teacher in a classroom for 9 months doesn&#x27;t seem to scale well. There aren&#x27;t enough good teachers, and it&#x27;s inefficient to have so many kids together learning the same thing, and the same time, at the same pace. It&#x27;s too inefficient, and any improvements are going to be cost prohibitive.<p>I think we need to separate instruction, student work, and assessment. Students should be able to receive instruction in multiple ways (1on1, group, watch videos), do their work with something like TAs, and be assessed at their own pace.<p>Japan is starting to see to super-star teachers that parent pay for. Why do we always need a teacher to provide direct instruction in the classroom? Why can&#x27;t we reward the best instructors, like Kahn, by having kids be instructed that way? The reason is because instruction, work, and assessment are not separated now.<p>I wish there were more experimentation in education, but since everything is a big ball of wax paid for with property taxes, there&#x27;s a lot of reluctance for anyone to experiment with their kid, and since it&#x27;s all or nothing, there just are minor experiments in the classroom<p>We need tech to find a way to scale the classroom and deliver it cheaply to students, and I think we need a separation of concerns in order for that to happen.
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grendeltover 7 years ago
<i>PLEASE</i> have someone with an education background on your team. (Preferably classroom experience.) Don&#x27;t assume what teachers want and need. Don&#x27;t just survey teachers. Get them on your team and have them help steer your product development.
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jpereiraover 7 years ago
These all seem to be assuming the institution-teacher-student model of education we have today. Even the &quot;New school models&quot; section is assuming a delivered experience, which has an institutional bent.<p>I think biggest area of disruption in education would be in building fundamentally new architectures for educational systems, based on networks and social communities instead of funnels and institutions. The latter have a pretty huge list of undesirable properties and negative externalities, especially in how they limit diverse experiences and learning.<p>An eye-opening read on this front for me has been Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich [0]. It&#x27;s insane how much of what he wrote 40 years ago still holds true.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.davidtinapple.com&#x2F;illich&#x2F;1970_deschooling.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.davidtinapple.com&#x2F;illich&#x2F;1970_deschooling.html</a>
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tonydivover 7 years ago
I would love feedback on my project BlockSchool from anyone who is interested in ed-tech!<p>BlockSchool is an online coding school for kids ages 6 to 13. We hire teachers from top colleges and companies like Stanford and Facebook, and connect them with students who don&#x27;t have easy access to high-quality instruction.<p>Our classes are conducted via video chat in a fun 3D block-based world where everything can be controlled by writing Puzzle code (our visual programming language), JavaScript, and Python. It&#x27;s collaborative, social, and kids love the creative freedom we give them.<p>We are focused on 1:1 and 1:2 instruction now which isn&#x27;t &#x27;scalable&#x27; but later on, we plan on offering a help service for kids only when they get stuck or need a new concept explained. This will lower the cost for students substantially. We hope to follow in the footsteps of VIPkid on this front.<p>We are based in Seoul&#x2F;SF, so we have a number of students in China, Japan, and Korea already, but a majority of our customers are in the US.<p>If anyone is interested in offering feedback, here is our website: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;block.school" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;block.school</a><p>We&#x27;ll be applying to YC too! Hopefully our project is relevant to what they&#x27;re looking for. We&#x27;re also growing quite fast :)
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Mzover 7 years ago
Something I don&#x27;t see on the list:<p>Homeschooling related startups<p>Big companies can be a unique resource for small, independent operations. In k-12 education, some of the smallest and most independent are homeschooling families.<p>They need to comply with state laws. They sometimes need to accommodate 2xe students. They need to prove their children actually received an education.<p>There are no doubt other areas where they could use help. This is often done currently via free websites, free email lists, etc. There is a homeschoolers legal aid group or something. I was a member when I was homeschooling. So, there are some supports already, but it tends to be pretty sparse and a lot is local, homegrown.
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kodableover 7 years ago
Oh hey! We&#x27;re one of the companies on this list :)<p>We went through IK12 (now a part of YC, same people) and it was the single best decision we ever made for Kodable. Education companies have some pretty unique problems, and it is almost guaranteed that the partners will have seen it before, know how to handle it, or at least be able to connect you with someone that has. At this point I think that YC&#x2F;IK12 companies have a presence in pretty much every school in the USA and most countries around the world, so the network of edtech startups you get access to is just incredible.<p>Edtech startups can be really hard, but this is one of the few things you can do that will actually make it just a little bit easier. If you have any questions please feel free to reach out - Jon at Kodable dot com
snomadover 7 years ago
May I point out - to YC and others interested in the space - their is a fairly large market for continuing education. Nurses, accountants, lawyers, and lots of other industries require practitioners keep up to date and take courses throughout their professional career. Perhaps their are not enough students to warrant a massive big name startup, but there are definitely enough students for a reasonable sized businesses.
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ams6110over 7 years ago
&gt; For instance, we believe there’s potential for a company to build a service that meaningfully connects schools and parents, and to charge parents for the service.<p>I disagree. I already pay taxes, book fees, technology fees, extracurricular fees to my school district. I would not pay another cent for anything I didn&#x27;t have to pay.<p>A big problem in K-12 education today is actually over-involvement of parents. Helicoptering, or whatever you want to call it. Sure a teacher wants parent support -- but from home. They do not want to, do not have time for, and should not be dealing with 20 parent interactions a day, technology-assisted or not.
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pier25over 7 years ago
I work in an education company. As ironic as it sounds, we&#x27;ve found the biggest factor that is stoping change in K12 education is that teachers systematically refuse to learn anything new.<p>It&#x27;s not in the US though so YMMV.
ChicagoDaveover 7 years ago
If I didn&#x27;t have five kids, one in college, and monthly financial minimums that preclude taking time off from regular work, I&#x27;d jump at applying for YC. I even _had_ a great ed-tech startup... 5 years ago ...<p>Textfyre Final Presentation, 2012 <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;plover.net&#x2F;~dave&#x2F;textfyre&#x2F;Textfyre%20Investor%20Presentation%20September%202012%20V3.3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;plover.net&#x2F;~dave&#x2F;textfyre&#x2F;Textfyre%20Investor%20Prese...</a> (The slide with the team has been removed...no need to share that info)<p>We were in talks for a couple of months with Gates Foundation, but our timing was off. They had just pivoted away from helping startups to giving millions of dollars to big education publishers like Pearson.<p>I gave up after realizing that I&#x27;d vastly under-estimated the networking (and cash) requirements in even proving the plan. Education is a really hard business to crack and we were targeting textbooks.<p>Fast-forward a couple of years, maybe 2014-15, and I&#x27;m listening to a gal from Pearson being interviewed on NPR. She&#x27;s essentially spouting many of Textfyre&#x27;s ideas (embedded testing, interactive content, variable reading levels).<p>I laughed and cried at the same time.<p>The funny part is, not a single person ever told me the plan was bad. They just told me the education business sucks and it would cost a lot of money. But bar-none, everyone _loved_ the plan. And this goes through to today. I chat about this plan once in awhile with someone that&#x27;s peripherally interested in ed-tech and they all say, &quot;Why aren&#x27;t you still working on THAT!&quot;<p>I&#x27;d love to. Write me a check.
jacquesmover 7 years ago
&gt; For instance, we believe there’s potential for a company to build a service that meaningfully connects schools and parents, and to charge parents for the service.<p>I&#x27;m sure that will play well with parents that are already straining under the load. This sort of thing is so rife with bias that it is <i>very</i> hard to step away from your privileged position for the 30 seconds that it takes to vet the idea that you have to wonder why this cycle repeats over and over again.<p><i>Any</i> kind of parental contribution to the school system outside of taxes will end up as a way to differentiate between the haves and the have-nots and at best will lead to children from disadvantaged environments not being able to take part in fun stuff, at worst it will disadvantage them even further.<p>This kind of thinking seems to be present in more than one YC project, the misguided attempt at their version of &#x27;basic income&#x27; which fails to take even the most basic precautions against doing damage rather than improving things is another.
baron816over 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t know if this exists, but I think something like a &quot;GitHub for textbooks&quot; would be valuable. Let people (teachers or otherwise) collaborate together on open source textbooks and create a pretty UI for reading those books (like GitBook).
alphonsegastonover 7 years ago
I really hope this isn&#x27;t driven by a desire to capitalize on the coming wave of school privatization under DeVos. What she and her compatriots have done to Michigan&#x27;s school system is not only a tragedy for the communities they serve, but also a demonstrable failure:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;betsy-devos-michigan-school-experiment-232399" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;betsy-devos-michigan-s...</a><p>Tech lipstick on underperforming, segregated, for-profit schools isn&#x27;t going to make them any prettier.
adamseaover 7 years ago
School has played a socialization role for kids and a role in the community - teachers have often been role models, and education has often extended beyond the subjects taught, to, at its best, teaching deeper life skills.<p>And then of course there are various troubled or at-risk populations of students where no amount of educational technology will help because they come from broken homes and underserved communities.<p>This is not to denigrate the idea of Education Startups, but rather, to point out the broader scope of &quot;education&quot;.
BinaryIdiotover 7 years ago
I used to work as a developer for an online charter school many years back so this space is very familiar. I even thought about starting my own company and breaking into this space because the software I worked on wasn&#x27;t very good (it was miles above what was already out there, for sure, but I thought there were many places that could be improved).<p>The problem I ran into, which completely discouraged me at the time, was that of making money. You need a significant amount of capital to sell to a private school and a public school requires sales cycles of at least a couple of years. It just wasn&#x27;t possible with me already having a family, mortgage, etc.<p>I would love to see the whole thing get disrupted. I even think about doing something in it from time to time. Having YC behind you would certainly be a big help. One big issue you face is that you&#x27;re going to be teaching children and helping to shape their minds so <i>you must</i> use valid scientific research to back up your ideas less we create a generation of adults who cannot think about the world. This is the biggest hurdle, IMO, because it&#x27;s so easy to just appeal to someone&#x27;s bias narrative. For example &quot;brain games&quot; which &quot;train&quot; your brain basically only train it to play those games but they&#x27;re still hugely popular and sometimes marketed to the same demographics.
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ontouchstartover 7 years ago
A lot of great ideas and important issues on Education startups can be found in this 5-hour long video &quot;Technology In Education: Witnesses testified on technological advances in education.&quot; recorded on OCTOBER 12, 1995.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.c-span.org&#x2F;video&#x2F;?67583-1&#x2F;technology-education" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.c-span.org&#x2F;video&#x2F;?67583-1&#x2F;technology-education</a>
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sjg007over 7 years ago
I would like something that increases parental involvement or at least oversight of their kids. 1:1s and close contact with your manager or team in problem solving is invaluable. What does that mean in the context of a classroom? Is it valuable? Teachers probably have 120 kids at some level so it may not scale.. And I think it&#x27;s to early or weird to have kids participate in a stand up but an app to help parents understand what kids are working on and how they can help would be interesting. How can you improve the feedback loops. I think kids hit critical periods where they don&#x27;t understand something and may not have the skills necessary to solve so providing some sort of peer pair (programming?) may help? Maybe start this in AP CS or a high school programming class or something and see if it is effective.<p>The other idea is work&#x2F;life balance for kids in school. How do you monitor that and help them? I think kids have more energy but at the same time need downtime etc.. What does that mean in the context of education etc..?
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Kevin_Sover 7 years ago
I know it doesn&#x27;t fall neatly into any of those categories, but I&#x27;d love some feedback on my idea:<p>I want to create an organization that is essentially a 6 week retreat for students before they begin college. Selecting the best applicants possible, they will go through rigorous training to become their most successful selves, covering Academics, Social life, Health, and Lifestyle topics. Elements of secrecy will help it&#x27;s applicant pool, I was heavily inspired by the Bohemian Club.<p>Long term, the alumni network itself will more than make up for the cost, in turn making the applicant pool stronger and stronger.<p>It&#x27;s an aggressive plan, and requires years of building up from the ground. But it&#x27;s my dream to make it happen.
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peterburkimsherover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m making my own learning materials for self-studying Chinese.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pingtype.github.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pingtype.github.io</a><p>VoiceTube is a similar startup company that scaled this up to help people learn English.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voicetube.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voicetube.com</a><p>I have no idea how to turn my Chinese-learning data into a practical business. I emailed 100 Chinese teachers in universities around Taiwan, but didn&#x27;t get any replies.<p>If someone wants to do the business and marketing, I&#x27;m happy to give you everything I&#x27;ve done so far.
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jerracover 7 years ago
I work in the IT department at a community college. One of the biggest costs we face is our ERP, Ellucian&#x27;s Banner. I&#x27;m not on that team, but the number of times I&#x27;ve been interrupted by them talking about a problem in Banner is really really high.<p>AFAIK, the biggest reason there are no real competitors is that Ellucian does a good job packaging the law and regulation related stuff for financial aid. Apparently that&#x27;s difficult enough that no open source alternative or non-open source company has been able to do better.<p>I&#x27;d love to see someone fix that problem.
gnicholasover 7 years ago
Interesting that learning science is not represented in the categories — something along the lines of:<p><i>&quot;There&#x27;s lots of research on ways in which material can be presented that makes it easier for kids to learn. We would encourage companies that have relevant expertise and the ability to bring research-backed technology to market.&quot;</i><p>Or is there not an interest in something like this?
pergadadover 7 years ago
I work on the policy side of digitalisation. Looking at the things listed in the YC call this all doesn&#x27;t seem too much line the things that are really needed. Here some major issues that education (thinking here mainly about schools but this covers all sectors. And about developed counties other than the US, which has a strange, immensely commercialised education) faces : - cost (depending on the country education can be 3-8% of GDP), most of which is salary - equity - even in the best of countries kids with the right parents fare much better - changing demographics - massive increases (including migrants but also due to housing cycles etc) in some areas while in some villages a school might end with 6 students, all at different ages. - how to truly personalise learning (without kids being on devices all day or teachers having to insert massive amounts of data) - teacher training in subject matter, technical skills and pedagogies, while time and resources are limited - lack of good teachers (often due to pay...) - relevance of learning content and methods - improving assessment - lack of time for teachers (choose resources, plan lessons, learn new rules &#x2F;curricula, do a lot of admin,... -measuring impact of new policy &#x2F;tools &#x2F;... (issues are scale, the direct cause-effect link, worry about too much &#x2F;instructive tracking, etc)<p>I think for none of these there are any good solutions out there short of throwing money at the system, which few places can &#x2F;want to do. For anything to find actual uptake in education it needs to be timely, cost-effective, easy to train &#x2F;use, respect very specific laws, and tested &#x2F;proven in a real setting.<p>There are huge concerns about issues such as vendor lock-in. And looking at some of the proposals listed, there are things that seem crazy &#x2F;near-evil, eg the suggestion to give a system free to schools but let parents pay.<p>This seems like a rather negative post, but I just mean to give a bit of perspective. Education is complex, deeply personal, so emotional, immensely important, shapes and determines society and our common future. There is a massive amount of both idealism and frustration on the part of the people involved (especially teachers) . Most have experienced a dozen broken tech promises and been covered in advertising leaflets of questionable commercial providers.<p>All that ends with either the same pretty much evil players dominating this complex market (everyone in education hates Pearson but few can avoid using some of their products as they know how to play the system, including the funding models and rules ), or with an increased influx of highly commercial tech players (Google, Microsoft, Apple,) which don&#x27;t understand&#x2F;care for the aims of education and just see a massive market and an opportunity to train the next generation of users on their systems.<p>Maybe you&#x27;ll have some ideas... :-)
v4n4d1sover 7 years ago
It&#x27;s not K-12, but some of you may be interested in reading this paper about the online exams service at ETH Zurich (Switzerland).<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dspacecris.eurocris.org&#x2F;handle&#x2F;11366&#x2F;478" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dspacecris.eurocris.org&#x2F;handle&#x2F;11366&#x2F;478</a>
jxramosover 7 years ago
I wonder if the Ycombinator folks may have recently watched School Inc (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QrDfCy5Q9wI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QrDfCy5Q9wI</a>)
MozillaUserover 7 years ago
Please make an alternative computer science DEGREE, YES with a DEGREE (equivalent to brick and mortar) that is affordable and suitable for working adults
ankyth27over 7 years ago
A professional football player starts playing at the age of 4-5, a professional dancer starts practicing right from childhood, but I see most people only get interested in code when they need a job and they start fearing. Our education system should introduce problem solving and coding right from primary classes, teachers should be trained exclusively for these, and the big G, F and others should collaborate with government&#x2F;NGOs to produce better curriculum and teachers.
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baby_wipeover 7 years ago
TeachBay (for grade schools) - Parents bid in an auction for seats in a teacher&#x27;s classroom at the beginning of the school year, instead of having the principal assign students to teachers. This will reward the good teachers, punish the bad ones, and give everyone an incentive to do better.
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cosinetauover 7 years ago
Anyone want to take a crack at MyMathLab?
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bluetwoover 7 years ago
What about corporate educational systems?
jfaucettover 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve been slowly working on an idea in this area for a while and and would love to be able to work on it full-time, part of its a software problem and that&#x27;s the only part I&#x27;ve been working on thus far. I&#x27;m not doing this for monetary reasons at all, and don&#x27;t really see how VC would ever be the right solution and lawmakers probably wouldn&#x27;t allow it to happen either. But anyway I&#x27;ll put the gist of the idea up here. I&#x27;d like to see what everyone thinks. I&#x27;ve been working on it anyway even if it is completely futile, just because I at least want the software for this to exist and maybe somewhere, some government would allow it to happen. So here goes.<p>Basically, number one indicator of success in school (excluding socio-economic factors) is having good teachers and very low student&#x2F;teacher ratios, ideally 1-1 for most tasks (i.e traditional tutoring) and very small groups i.e. 3-5 per teacher for group work. Small groups have tons of benefits from keeping kids focused to dealing with misbehaving kids, etc.<p>Anyway, the idea consist in doing away with the traditional concept of a teacher at the primary school level (but eventually all levels). You can do this by hiring all your teachers on an hourly basis and leveraging college students, stay at home moms&#x2F;dads, or just anyone with a GED and wanting to make a few extra bucks on the side. These teachers can work even just a couple hours a week if they want. Also, you don&#x27;t have to have high standards on anything other than the teachers ability to communicate, being nice and helpful,liking to work with kids, and having a GED. The calculations I&#x27;ve done allow you to cut your student&#x2F;teacher ratios by about a factor 3-4 and additionally allow for special tutoring of kids who need it for a couple hours a week.<p>Another key aspect of the model is that now kids are in smaller groups and can be paired with others who work roughly at their own pace, also I want to note that age no longer plays a role in determining which classes a student is in.<p>The whole time we&#x27;re doing this the teachers and students are using software that has learning algorithms designed to tailor learning materials to the particular student. That student, then has a personalized and adaptive learning pathway through the digital courses at his school. There is also no longer the idea of a particular &quot;year of work&quot;. Students take a comprehensive exam to exit every class and a fully comprehensive end of year exam for the courses they have mastered in that years time frame. All students can move more or less freely to and from groups and take these exams whenever they want, skipping entire courses if they have already mastered the materials and can prove it by passing the exams. So its not age but ability which determines where a student is placed. You can think of a school year (or a entire primary through high school curricula) as a graph where the classes are nodes and to go from one class to the next all a student needs to do is pass a particular exam.<p>The only real pedagogical emphasis is that we try to teach students how to teach themselves and provide them the digital materials to do so. Also my dream would be to be able to offer this to kids from the poorest neighborhoods first, because they&#x27;re the ones who would benefit the most from a small group learning environment and 1-1 tutorship.<p>Anyway, that&#x27;s the idea. If anyone is interested in helping out, please ping me up (email in bio). Right now the software is slow going since its just been me and my brother working on this in our spare time. Thanks for the feedback.
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