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Russia Threatens to Shut Facebook Over Local Data Storage Laws

118 pointsby uyoakaomaover 7 years ago

13 comments

dmoyover 7 years ago
This is probably just Russian auditors starting to actually look at big companies&#x27; implementations of 242-FZ. There was precious little guidance given on exactly what a kosher implementation would be, so devs pms and lawyers just get together and make a good faith effort at it.<p>Best guess from me is that auditors are disagreeing with that first round good faith effort from Facebook.<p>My guess at the original purpose of 242 fz: This has absolutely nothing to do with the balkanization of the web, and everything to do with Russian law enforcement wanting a physical location they can easily roll into with a warrant. Nothing else really made sense to me at the time.<p>Source: worked at big company on 242 fz compliance when it was about to hit.<p>Edit: I remembered the ordering of number-letter incorrectly
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gueloover 7 years ago
The utopian period of the web is ending. The future web will be much more balkanized and militarized. In the race between the web&#x27;s competing revolutions of democratization of information vs mass surveillance and control, surveillance and control will win out as linear scaling, distributed, crowdsourced, democratic power won&#x27;t be able to keep up with exponential scaling, centrally controlled, capital intensive, machine learning enhanced, mass control.
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slezyrover 7 years ago
Ok, I think that FB will comply. They did a lot to be present in China, so they will do same here.<p>But I have one simple question: Should be data of Crimean users stored in Russian or not?
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throw2016over 7 years ago
There is an inevitability about it. The desire for people to people connection and a global consciousness was there but most idealists would have realized it&#x27;s a fantasy and parochialism and nations states are not going away.<p>It&#x27;s easy for us to be blase about it but if it were Russian and Chinese companies vacuuming up our data and not afraid to share it with their governments, there would be end of the world hysteria by media, academics and commentators about &#x27;our freedom&#x27;, the american way, and how awful these totalitarian countries were.<p>Now since its us caught with our pants down with draconian surveillance, secret courts, secret orders and collaboration with little to no pushback from the loudest defenders of freedom more interested in posturing and feeling smug than defending any values they articulate, other countries need to wisen up and protect their citizens and their interests.<p>Anything is better than leaving it to US based companies with an insatiable appetite for user data and vested in spying on everyone all over the internet with zero constraints or sense of either corporate and individual ethics for the thousands of engineers involved in this, supported by an of control unrestrained surveillance culture in government.
btillyover 7 years ago
This happens the day after Facebook embarrassed Russia and its own stock price by verifying how Russian advertising accounts were used to manipulate the US election.<p>Coincidence?
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raquoover 7 years ago
Does anyone know how they identify Russian citizens?
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dleslieover 7 years ago
I have no problem with countries demanding that their citizen&#x27;s data be stored within their borders and subject to their laws alone. As a Canadian, I take it as a given that any data of mine or about me that&#x27;s stored on American soil is to be considered as-good-as-public, thanks to their alleged willingness to go so far as to steal sensitive data and share it with competing American interests. [0]<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;google.com&#x2F;search?hl=en&amp;q=nsa+handed+trade+secrets+to+american+company" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;google.com&#x2F;search?hl=en&amp;q=nsa+handed+trade+secrets+t...</a>
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dreamfactoredover 7 years ago
This is exactly why interoperable federated social platforms are important and why they are a better solution than centralised platforms. The future is a choice between per jurisdiction walled garden monopolies under national control and multiple interoperable solutions.
readhnover 7 years ago
I can see both sides here, on one side - CIA&#x2F;NSA has hands in facebook data, on the other hand FSB&#x2F;GRU want same access to this data. This is a battle for our data, (which we give away &quot;for free&quot;).
tibarunover 7 years ago
That would stop Facebook from interfering in Russian elections.
diminishover 7 years ago
That&#x27;s gonna be a deal breaker for global trade if after LinkedIn, FB gets banned. What remains is Google?
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fiokodenover 7 years ago
I say shut it. Dump the difficult governments.
Akujinover 7 years ago
They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike.<p>Better to just say good bye to Russia and let them kick dirt.
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