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“Anti-perks”: what our startup doesn't want in our office

82 pointsby aseemkover 7 years ago

22 comments

stefco_over 7 years ago
&gt; But as we grow in size, we also plan to grow in the diversity of our perspectives and backgrounds — which is even more reason not to add a bunch of extraneous or overly specific perks. Especially as our team diversifies, we can’t (and shouldn’t) strive to have a one-size-fits-all office or benefits package.<p>This is a great point about bringing in diverse hires. If you optimize your perks to appeal to you, then you&#x27;re likely to bring in people with the same interests as you, and there are often strong correlations between interests and demographics. I would certainly rather work somewhere with neutral-seeming perks than a place where everyone was bonding over a bunch of perks I couldn&#x27;t care less about.<p>One of my friends is in an office environment where they play Quake III for an hour a day. This perk is actually a mandatory bonding session. I love Quake III, but he doesn&#x27;t, and he feels like it&#x27;s both a waste of time and a reinforcement of a specific type of company culture that he doesn&#x27;t really relate to. He doesn&#x27;t really mind it, but he has specifically listed it as one of the reasons he is considering finding another job.<p>Having a more typically &quot;professional&quot; office setting, combined with some more flexible perks (like flex funds for wellness), strikes me as a good way to avoid filtering people out and inadvertently selecting for an overly specific company culture.<p>In particular, if you&#x27;re worried that hackers who fall outside of the white&#x2F;male&#x2F;straight&#x2F;cis gendered hacker stereotype are not coming to your company in sufficient numbers, you want to avoid sending implicit signals that your company is only into things that seem to appeal to this stereotype. Perks are one source of those implicit signals.
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whiddershinsover 7 years ago
The one &quot;perk&quot; I think is uncommon but should be standard is nap rooms.<p>There are just so many people who are happier, healthier, and do better work with a brief nap during the day. Unless you are walking distance from work, splitting your workday like that is infeasible without an office culture that supports it.<p>And consequently unlike most perks, it can&#x27;t be offset by a simple salary increase.
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kylecover 7 years ago
Thank you for not allowing pets. I both dislike and am allergic to dogs, and it annoys me when people think it&#x27;s no big deal to bring their dog into the office. This is not your home, this is a professional workspace that we all share.
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cwyersover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;ve ever had whiplash as extreme as the point of this article where I thought to myself, &quot;Well finally, someone pushing back against the excesses of VC-funded culture&quot; and the line &quot;we will compensate our employees for a dog-sitter (via a flexible health and wellness stipend).&quot;
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itamarstover 7 years ago
Unfortunately, sounds like they fail at the minimum criteria for a sane workweek. In particular: &quot;our team tends to work long days&quot;.<p>Who cares about anti-perks or perks if you&#x27;re expected to work crazy hours?
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calcsamover 7 years ago
Most in-office catered lunches are a lot more healthy than a burger or pizza.
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romanovcodeover 7 years ago
&gt; Our team tends to work long days, and if we don’t walk to lunch, we’ll likely be sitting in a chair for a minimum of eight hours a day.<p>Nice perk of working 8h+ per day! Love perks like these!
edanmover 7 years ago
I like a lot of these. I especially connected with &quot;going out for lunch&quot; vs. &quot;catered lunches&quot;. I totally get why companies prefer catered lunches, and am surprised more companies don&#x27;t realize the benefits, but I really enjoy leaving the office for a bit and getting some sun.<p>That said, one thing I have an issue with is this: &quot;“Mandatory fun” office events&quot;.<p>If we&#x27;re talking a once-a-week thing, then yes, that&#x27;s way over the top.<p>But if we&#x27;re talking a company day out or something similar every half year or so, I think it&#x27;s incredibly important. I think the bonding effect is good, but more importantly, if it&#x27;s not coordinated, then there are people who will miss it. For one thing, for people married with children, going to a random &quot;people in the office decided to go out today&quot; is usually much harder than going to a &quot;scheduled 2 months in advance mandatory event&quot;. For another thing, it is easy for this to devolve into some people bonding and everyone else not being part of it. So I think it is beneficial to have a once-in-a-few-months bonding experience.<p>(I also think lighter forms of this, like an in-office &quot;happy hour&quot; once a week, is a pretty good idea too).
hacking_againover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m assuming blackout curtains are also an anti-perk? My eyes hurt from looking at the picture, I could never work there.
supercanuckover 7 years ago
Aren&#x27;t perks that are offered to everyone tax deductible and perks for individuals not tax deductible?<p>and isn&#x27;t it cheaper for us to provide dog walking services&#x2F;chef services&#x2F;kegs etc to everyone, than each person access to their own individual dog walker, paid lunch and paid for bar tab?
MarkColeover 7 years ago
Something that stuck out for me:<p>&gt; &quot;Don’t get me wrong — Even has plenty of perks. Our team is offered paid vacation time (with a <i>minimum</i> number of days off)&quot;<p>Is paid vacation time really a perk? Is vacation time usually unpaid in the US or something? Or maybe the perk is the minimum number of days off?
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justinzollarsover 7 years ago
I like the attitude on alcohol.
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samfriedmanover 7 years ago
I wonder if they allow employees to expense lunch on the town, as opposed to paying for catering. I believe Snap Inc. works with local eateries to provide free food for employees, e.g.
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matt_wulfeckover 7 years ago
Extremely surprised not to see &quot;open-office&quot; on the list. I guess they consider it a perk!
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whipoodleover 7 years ago
I think the pet thing is more balanced than a straight up anti-perk, because in situations where everyone is happy with it, it can be very nice to have. But it&#x27;s certainly not for everyone, and you don&#x27;t want to make someone feel like they&#x27;re the &quot;spoiler&quot; if everyone else is ok with it.
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cjensenover 7 years ago
It&#x27;s a good list with a lot of sense. My one minor nit is that they don&#x27;t stock soda because it&#x27;s not healthy. Let people be themselves and make their own decisions: you should provide something to drink and it should be what the employees want, not necessarily what you want.
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derefrover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m someone who has mostly worked for startups, but I just came off a stint working for IBM (Canada), and the difference in the &quot;office culture&quot; at IBM from the startups I had worked at kind of blew me away.<p>IBM&#x27;s office culture was basically built around two ideas: 1. that everyone working on a team would be spread around the globe (not necessarily at first, but certainly as IBM had to send them around to do sales engineering.) And 2. that workflows should be designed to accommodate people with disabilities.<p>This led to a number of &quot;features&quot; that I will miss in any future startup:<p>• The offices have some &quot;open-office&quot;-like areas... but also cubicles, and individual closed offices, and meeting rooms. All of these—except for some of the cubicles—are flex-allocated. You just sit down at an empty one, and clean up after yourself when you go. IBM even has &quot;work centres&quot;—offices just for people (and entire teams) travelling, with no permanent staff other than ops+janitorial. This office design style resembles EC2 (far moreso than your average co-working space): you can &quot;allocate&quot; part of a floor to be a team&#x27;s office on any given day, and that space will be some <i>other</i> team&#x27;s office on some other day. This is just as much about the culture (you don&#x27;t &quot;stake your claim&quot; to the space, any more than you would a library desk) as it is about the amenities.<p>• Everything is done online, mostly over text. (Yes, yes, Lotus Notes. But also, increasingly, Slack.) You don&#x27;t have to come to the office; you can work at a coffee shop, or from home, or from any other IBM office&#x2F;work centre. You just need to sign into the IBM VPN and you&#x27;re good. Even weekly meetings are electronic (though often over voice- or video-conference rather than text.) You know who this is great for? People in a wheelchair. People with a sprained ankle. People with social anxiety. New parents, past their leave period, who still want to spend most of their time with their kids. People who don&#x27;t speak English well but can type and read it just fine. A hundred more types of people, who SV never bothers to hire.<p>• There&#x27;s a no-pets policy. There&#x27;s a no-perfume policy. There&#x27;s a no-music policy. There&#x27;s probably a bunch more. The spirit of these isn&#x27;t &quot;no silliness&quot;; it&#x27;s &quot;make allowances for people with sensory processing disorders, even if you aren&#x27;t aware that anyone you know here has one, because it&#x27;s their right not to tell you.&quot;<p>• IBM offices don&#x27;t offer amenities like food (other than some meh coffee), and they usually aren&#x27;t close to anything, rather being in an office park that with low land-values. If you&#x27;re going to the office, you eat breakfast before you go, and you bring a lunch with you. You eat dinner after going home. Which, of course, means that everyone wants to go home at a reasonable hour, so that they&#x27;ll still have <i>time</i>—and energy—to make and eat dinner. Going to the office is like taking a day-trip. You pack for it.<p>To sum up, IBM basically assumes that everyone working there is a responsible adult with a private life that is <i>important</i> to them, that is respected <i>as</i> private by others; and that, while at work, they&#x27;d like to get some <i>freaking work done</i> so that they can be done with it and go home.<p>If anyone has heard of a start-up that follows this philosophy, I&#x27;d love to work there. (Otherwise, I&#x27;m open to starting a chain of co-working spaces that operate like IBM&#x27;s work-centres, and give all their member-startups a VPN Intranet and a PBX for voice-conferenced meetings.)
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kafkaesqover 7 years ago
<i>Pet-friendly offices: I’m sure having a pet visit the office once would be a treat, but every day quickly can become a burden on the team.</i><p>Disagree, given the observation that pets (provided they&#x27;re well-behaved, are well-groomed etc) reduce stress and promote empathy. It&#x27;s just a question of measure - somewhere between &quot;once&quot; and &quot;every day&quot; there are these notions of &quot;once in a while&quot; or &quot;from time to time&quot;. Which I suspect would be optimal, for this particular indulgence.
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Dowwieover 7 years ago
&quot;I’m sure having a pet visit the office once would be a treat, but every day quickly can become a burden on the team.&quot;<p>Would people who are burdened by an office dog please share your experiences?
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drraid0over 7 years ago
Are we supposed to know who Even is?
alexpetraliaover 7 years ago
I feel this list greatly depends on the culture and employee composition.
spamlordover 7 years ago
this place sounds like a nightmare to work at. no drinking, anti dog policies, no thanks.
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