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Viking ‘Allah’ textile actually doesn't have Allah on it

223 pointsby DanAndersenover 7 years ago

22 comments

rdtscover 7 years ago
So someone made a guess, it was wrong, that happens. But why did end up being spread around the news so much. So what, even if it said Allah? Vikings liked to travel, they might have been buying or copying decorative elements from various places.<p>I saw in the tweet she tagged Guardian, BBC, NatGeo and NYTimes. Was there just a slow news day that they all picked up that one claim and ran with it.
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jankotekover 7 years ago
I dont get why this gets so much attention. Of course there was a contact.<p>Vikings conquered Sicily, south Italy and other meditarinian locations since 8th century. There was a slave trade. At some point Islam conquered 20% of Europe.
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dagwover 7 years ago
Single page collection of the actual tweets for people who don&#x27;t want to try to read a massive tweet thread: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tttthreads.com&#x2F;thread&#x2F;919897406031978496" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tttthreads.com&#x2F;thread&#x2F;919897406031978496</a>
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INTPenisover 7 years ago
Can&#x27;t wait for the future when we&#x27;ll have a blogging platform that everyone can use with more than 140 characters.
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DanAndersenover 7 years ago
Follow-up to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15454787" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15454787</a> (&quot;Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves&quot;).
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justin66over 7 years ago
In fairness to the original author who allegedly got it wrong, at least they bothered to write a goddamn article, with paragraphs and everything.
have_faithover 7 years ago
&gt; haha - I wrote the whole thing out (in tweets) in a Word doc, counted them, added numbering back in, and cut &amp; pasted into Twitter!<p>&gt; It took a week to do the research and two days to write, which is basically like lightning speed in the academic world.<p>The effort is greatly appreciated, but having to then digest the content on Twitter really lets the content down.
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shufflelinksover 7 years ago
Here is some links to info on one interaction between Vikings and Arabs&#x2F;Islamicate civilisation in this case the 10th Century Traveler Ibn Fadlan:<p>&quot;In this episode we explore the how Rurik might have been buried through the accounts of the Arab diplomat and adventurer Ibn Fadlan.. . . &quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history-podcasts.com&#x2F;the-real-middle-ages&#x2F;116269" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history-podcasts.com&#x2F;the-real-middle-ages&#x2F;116269</a><p>Secondly is The Volga Vikings BBC In Our Times Podcast <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;b00vrx8g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;b00vrx8g</a> Which includes the Sir Thomas Adams&#x27;s Professor of Arabic James Montgomery also speaking about Ibn Fadlan.<p>He also wrote a translation for the Library of Arabic Literature for NYU Press <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nyupress.org&#x2F;books&#x2F;9781479803507&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nyupress.org&#x2F;books&#x2F;9781479803507&#x2F;</a>
arbitrageover 7 years ago
Perhaps something easier to read than 60 tweets strung together might help get the point across a little more clearly.
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singularity2001over 7 years ago
Maybe not related here, but is there no chance that some Kufic was some kind of an arabic dialect?
floatingatollover 7 years ago
To all the folks harping on an academic for writing and releasing a work in their field in a week, and for having no shame about releasing it on Twitter:<p>You’re not being very inclusive, folks. She wanted to post it on Twitter, not a blog. She did. Don’t waste all this thread time discussing Twitter. Discuss her work. Discuss her points. But please, stop wasting time and energy on the “meta” of her chosen communication platform in a thread about Viking textiles.
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arkonaover 7 years ago
Is publishing this on Twatter supposed to make some ironic point? I don’t get it...
yyzheroover 7 years ago
I see swastikas, Vikings were definitely Jain
rosstexover 7 years ago
Twitter was not made for blog posts.
roadbeatsover 7 years ago
tl;dr she claims it&#x27;s written &quot;llah&quot; not &quot;Allah&quot;.
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Sharlinover 7 years ago
If only we had some sort of a system for publishing longer articles on the Internet without having to cut them into 140 character pieces...
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dmeadover 7 years ago
looks like the comments on the other thread doubting this were right? where are their internet points back?
impostererover 7 years ago
It’s cool how half of these fucking replies are about Twitter.
criley2over 7 years ago
Question: why is this on Hacker News?<p>Seriously. Allah, Viking textiles... Hacker News?<p>When does Hacker News get subreddits....err subhackers....
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digi_owlover 7 years ago
Is Reddit leaking?
slimover 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve seen immediately that there was no &quot;Allah&quot; in that picture. But I dismissed the article as click bait not scam.<p>It&#x27;s Bait Blindness. I claim the novelty of the naming
drzaiusapelordover 7 years ago
&gt;It should go without saying that a single scholar’s un-peer-reviewed claim does not truth make.<p>What about a single scholar&#x27;s un-peer reviewed rebuttal? One of the fun things of social media is that something like this goes viral and everyone says &quot;see I knew it&quot; and the skeptics get shot down for &quot;you&#x27;re not an academic&quot; but then another academic is skeptical and then we&#x27;re back to &quot;see, see I knew it.&quot; I don&#x27;t see a solution here buts an amusing pattern.<p>Not sure who the authority here is, if anyone. I imagine this is the kind of thing that will need to be debated and &#x27;solved&#x27; at a later time, regardless if Prof Mulder&#x27;s skepticism is correct. There could be more to this story that she doesn&#x27;t know, for example, but I&#x27;m personally leaning towards her thesis, but I&#x27;m naturally skeptical so I&#x27;m fairly biased.
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