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Ask HN: Any stats on how many users browse your sites with javascript disabled?

7 pointsby doctorosdeckalmost 15 years ago
Are there still valid reasons for browsing sites with javascript disabled?

6 comments

rmorizalmost 15 years ago
Please forgive me my near-off-topic answer:<p>Sure there are users out there without JS. There are still some IE6 users out there. But in most cases you need just look at your target: If you build a SaaS service you probably focus on the early adopters, first movers or whatever you call them.<p>Old browser or obscure security settings are a niche. If your product focus on that niche - great, consider it in your technical setup.<p>After attending a horrible freelance project as a ruby/rails guy in 2009 I finally made a decision for all of my hopefully upcoming projects:<p>* focus on the early adopters who may understand your product without a big introduction. these people usually have the best and modern browsers available.<p>* optimize for Safari/Mac, Firefox and maybe Chrome<p>* optimize only for iPhone<p>* <i></i>forget the rest until you have 100 paying customers. Then decide again<i></i>. (100 is just a number, maybe 50, maybe 1000 — you decided)<p>BUT: If you know <i>for sure</i>, that most of your taget customers are using IE6/have no javascript support/whatever: Support it. But I doubt it.<p>And don't think that your startup will have the same % amounts of browsers/settings like the big sites on the web. Also keep in mind that people need to be able and willing to spend money. I can imagine someone without javascript and cookies will never (be able to) enter her/his payment information over the web into a form.<p>They'll be very conservative and in my opinion it's not worth the time to try to "convert" them.<p>TL;DR<p>Try to focus the easiest reachable solution only. Know your potential customer's setup. Be selective.
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pwalmost 15 years ago
To channel patio11: any stats on how many users have no idea what JavaScript is, let alone how to disable it?<p>Sorry for the slightly flippant response (but thank you to patio11 for training me to think that way). I just couldn't help myself, since you phrased it as 'disabled' rather than 'not JavaScript capable'. In regards to the latter, you might find this StackOverflow post useful: <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/121108/how-many-people-disable-javascript" rel="nofollow">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/121108/how-many-people-di...</a>
Travisalmost 15 years ago
I don't have many stats, but I believe some IT installations (where the browser is supposed to connect only to intranet sites) will severely restrict the allowed use of JS.<p>Also, I've had JS randomly break in firefox sometimes, and it doesn't get turned back on until the next install.<p>I think graceful degradation is still the key word here. Not just because it will allow non-JS users to access your site, but also because it helps force you to realize the semantic separation of the HTML versus JS layers.
mike-cardwellalmost 15 years ago
Valid reasons? You mean other than to defend against the constant barrage of high profile XSS vulnerabilities reported to exist on large numbers of major websites?
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clausaugustialmost 15 years ago
I'm working for one of the world's biggest web hosting companies. The percentage of users accessing our pages with JavaScript disabled is around 0.2%. Couple years ago, it was around 1%. I assume this number might not be correct for all target groups (naturally, ours is rather tech affine).<p>And for your question: Personally, I wouldn't support non-JS users for most cases at all. There are security reasons to switch it off, but I hardly see any aspect of life where you get 100% security. JavaScript is an essential part of the web, if someone has a problem with that: don't surf and don't expect me to emulate things that I can solve easily in the client on the server (if at all possible).
joe_bleaualmost 15 years ago
I only enable js on sites I trust, and only when needed.
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