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Alan Kay answers “What was it like to be at Xerox PARC when Steve Jobs visited?”

123 pointsby vshanover 7 years ago

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Animatsover 7 years ago
I got the tour of PARC in 1975, years before Jobs. Smalltalk wasn&#x27;t really working yet, but some Altos and Ethernet were running. Kay described Ethernet as an &quot;Alohanet with a captive ether&quot;. They had a file server and a laser printer starting to work. So what they had was the beginnings of an office environment of the 1990s.<p>Kay&#x27;s point at the time is that this was what you could do if you were willing to spend a large amount of money per user on hardware. It wasn&#x27;t cost-effective yet. Someday it would be. Xerox was willing to spend the money, so when the hardware became available, they&#x27;d own the market.<p>This wasn&#x27;t the first GUI. They&#x27;d downsized the 1968 Mother of All Demos to a machine that sat alongside a desk.[1] When Engelbart did that, it required a room-sized mainframe, a video link from the mainframe to the demo site (a very big deal in 1968), and a sizable crew of support people to keep it all running. All to support one user.<p>This technology reached production with the introduction of &quot;workstations&quot;. The first was the Terak, in 1977, which ran an interpretive environment called the UCSD P-System. This was a byte code interpreter for Pascal. Fast compile, slow execution, basic graphics. Perhaps the ancestor to Turbo Pascal for DOS. PDP-11 technology underneath. I used one briefly. 1979 brought the Three Rivers PERQ, which was a lot like an Alto and sold as a commercial product. It had another 16-bit CPU inside, from ICL in the UK, and was another interpretive Pascal system. I never saw one; it was considered something of a dud.<p>When the Motorola 68000 came out, it was clear to a lot of people that there was finally a big enough microprocessor to build a workstation. At last, a 32-bit address space. (Or at least 24; early machines didn&#x27;t use the high byte.) The Apollo Domain, in 1980, was the first of those. That was the first real workstation. It had its own OS, its own networking (a coax token ring), its own file system (exclusive use locking across the network worked, unlike UNIX), and its own GUI. Apollo had their own MMU and their own paging system, which was really hard due to the M68000 not handling page faults properly. It was way ahead of anything else at the time. But the small organization behind it just had too much work to do building all that software and hardware. When I used one, it was clear this was the future, but it wasn&#x27;t there yet.<p>Then came Sun, and a whole slew of UNIX workstations. UNIX was really the wrong tool for the job, but it was available and cheap. (Not yet free.)<p>Meanwhile, Apple was trying to get a low-end workstation working. The Apple Lisa (1983) was the result. It was sort of a cost-reduced Apollo - its own OS, its own MMU (a whole board, which ran the price up), and its own GUI. Also its own disk drive, the one time Apple tried to build a hard drive in house. That didn&#x27;t go well. The Lisa was impressive and useful, but it cost too much to go mass market. The real UNIX workstations came with big screens, and the Lisa had a dinky screen like DOS-type computers. Meanwhile, IBM was eating Apple&#x27;s lunch, replacing the obsolete Apple II with dumb DOS machines. No GUI, but enough compute power to run a spreadsheet and, importantly, a hard drive. Now people could do basic business work.<p>Apple&#x27;s response, the Macintosh, was the world&#x27;s greatest toy computer. It shipped in 1984 with 128K of RAM, one floppy drive (you needed two to get anything done), an operating system with no CPU dispatcher, no memory protection, and a nice GUI. But no hard drive. It was really slow and spent most of its time reading floppies and displaying an hourglass &quot;wait&quot; icon. It almost killed Apple. Sales were very low; Apple had planned to sell about 47,000 units a month, but only sold about 5,000. What saved Apple was the first desktop laser printer, the LaserWriter, in 1985. (PARC had a laser printer in the mid-1970s, but it was based on a big copier engine and bigger than a desk.) In 1986, Apple introduced the Macintosh Plus, which could, at last, support an external hard drive. That was the first successful product in the line, and launched the desktop publishing industry.<p>In parallel to all this, there was another line of technology, now forgotten - &quot;word processing&quot;. Wang and IBM were the big players in this. This started with typewriters with some memory, around 1971, and by 1977, Wang had the Wang Office Information System. This involved many semi-dumb terminals connected to a shared unit with a CPU and file server. Those could in turn be networked, and documents sent around the system. Very cost-effective, because each terminal was cheap. This was a huge win for offices which did a lot of document preparation, and Wang was, for a while, a very successful company.<p>So Xerox tried to move into that space with the Xerox Star, in 1981. This brought the Alto technology into an office environment. Worked fine, cost too much. Like the Wang system, it was very closed. This was deliberate. Word processing and office system were used by secretaries and clerks. They had to Just Work. Exposing end users to the internal complexity of the system was considered a bad idea.<p>The cultural change which brought system administration to the masses wasn&#x27;t seen coming. It was inconceivable in the early 1980s that clerical people and small business operators would have to worry about what was going on inside the box. But as the DOS-type machines got more powerful and moved into offices, for about two decades everyone had to become a sysadmin. Apple tried to hide more under the covers, but it didn&#x27;t really work all that well in the early years.<p>Today, of course, the complexity has mostly been put back in a sealed box, and you can give a Chromebook type tablet to a 5 year old and they&#x27;ll be able to work it.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Mother_of_All_Demos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Mother_of_All_Demos</a>
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coldcodeover 7 years ago
That&#x27;s why it takes two types of people to make something successful and lasting. One to come up with and do the invention, and someone to take it and make a product that affects the world. Neither does much without the other. Xerox had all the amazing tech and did absolutely squat with it. Jobs saw a demo and made it an actual thing you could use, whoever many errors he made in the process. Same is true with Steve and Steve, one did the tech and one made it a company. Rarely can one person do both and be successful.
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tyingqover 7 years ago
More detail on changing the system while running, and a comment at the bottom from Alan Kay retelling this same story:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.righto.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-xerox-alto-smalltalk-and-rewriting.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.righto.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-xerox-alto-smalltalk-and-r...</a><p>&quot;Dealers of Lightning&quot; also a has a chapter on Job&#x27;s visit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Dealers-Lightning-Xerox-PARC-Computer&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0887309895" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Dealers-Lightning-Xerox-PARC-Computer...</a> Try the &quot;look inside&quot; for &quot;Steve Jobs Gets His Show and Tell&quot;.
fragmedeover 7 years ago
If you are interested about this era of computing, I recommend <i>The Dream Machine: J. C. R. Licklider and the Revolution That Made Computing Personal</i> which covers a lot of the ground of getting to the famed Xerox Parc GUI demo, though that&#x27;s barely more than a footnote in the context of the rest of the book.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B01FIPHEXM&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B01FIPHEXM&#x2F;</a>
cabaalisover 7 years ago
I thought it was interesting that 2 objections raised by Steve Jobs so he &quot;could feel in control&quot; are actually normal UX items and have been ever since. (smooth scrolling, selecting text being an outline)<p>Maybe this is a difference between someone totally focused on feel and experience versus pure computer science.
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protomythover 7 years ago
<i>The Smalltalk used in this demo was my personal favorite (-78)</i><p>Is there a document that shows the differences between The Smalltalk-78 and Smalltalk-80, and what made Smalltalk-80 worse?
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pupppetover 7 years ago
After more or less six years of running this demo, a designer (Steve) steps in and makes a couple suggestions that very much improved the experience, suggestions that took only a few seconds to implement in Alan’s own words. Alan seems to poopoo Steves’s visit but it highlights exactly why the computer industry needed Jobs.
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rdiddlyover 7 years ago
He complains no one asked him until now, but the question is a bit like asking John Lennon &quot;Wow what&#x27;s it like to work with Ringo?&quot; Well it&#x27;s like busting ass writing most of the songs, and Ringo shows up and records the drum part and smiles, and becomes everybody&#x27;s favorite Beatle.<p><i>This analogy is not guaranteed. No refunds.</i>
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pcuniteover 7 years ago
What is amazing to me is that the &quot;invention&quot; of the computer used the already established norms of our physical reality as it&#x27;s guide. From the second image description:<p>&quot;once <i>windows</i> are created they overlap on the screen like sheets of paper&quot;<p>As we turn computers into android robots, its clear that the credit never belong to man himself. The Wonderful idea was already known by God, who gave man the sense to emulate a good thing.
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