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What is it like to live and work in Bali as an engineer?

77 pointsby _fwu1over 7 years ago

13 comments

Alex3917over 7 years ago
I spent a few days there a couple years ago. Ubud is a cool place, with incredibly good and cheap food and housing. But the reason that costs of living are cheaper may not be entirely disconnected from the fact that life feels cheaper in general. Not only is there currently a rabies epidemic among the wild dogs that are everywhere, but there are a million other random ways to get killed, everything from falling into giant unmarked holes in the middle of the sidewalk to getting hit by motorbikes.
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jtchangover 7 years ago
Not to discourage the article but just because people smile in SE asia a lot doesn't necessarily mean they are happy all the time. A lot of it is cultural as well.
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peterburkimsherover 7 years ago
Probably better to wait until the ash from the volcano clears. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-42147422" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-42147422</a><p>On a more long-term note, though, visa policies are much more friendly in the East than the West.<p>&quot;Indonesia doesn&#x27;t require visa for Turkish citizens so my family can visit me anytime they want without going through visa application processes. This is one of the reasons I left US; my family and friends always wanted to visit me when I lived in Oakland but they wouldn&#x27;t go through the expensive and humiliating visa application process.&quot;<p>I currently live and work for a local company in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, which runs a factory making microSD memory cards.<p>The salary is low, but the living costs (food &amp; rent) are very low, so I end up saving over 50% of my salary each month. It&#x27;s comfortable. People who work over the Internet get paid even more, but they have to risk working illegally on tourist visas instead of having an Alien Resident Card.<p>I&#x27;d try to stay longer if the government would do something about the education system, dual citizenship, military service requirement, and air pollution. Those reasons make me think it&#x27;s better to go elsewhere to start a family. This is a nice place to be young though.
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shoover 7 years ago
The article doesn&#x27;t mention anything about the author&#x27;s visa? For indonesia you can get a VOA for 30 days free or 60 days for $50 but you can&#x27;t stay longer than that without an APEC card or a KITAS (work permit - hard to get).<p>Visa policies are certainly more relaxed in SEA than the western world but you can&#x27;t just hang out all year, working nonetheless, and expect no issues.
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King-Aaronover 7 years ago
Just a side-note, there is a lot of active volcanic activity throughout Indonesia. Currently pretty much all flights in and out of Bali are cancelled due to Mt Agung being on the brink of eruption. It&#x27;s not one of those things you&#x27;d need to worry about every day of course, but it could inconvenience you if you had to travel and got caught out by it.
davidzweigover 7 years ago
I am taking a week off work in Dahab, Egypt. It must be off-season, because most of the hotels and restaurants are empty, but it seems to have similar advantages. It&#x27;s very inexpensive, a sizable semi-permanent population of foreigners, on the sea with good snorkeling and interesting places to walk nearby. There are very cheap flights from Europe to Eilat, Israel, although the Israelis charge you $25 USD as you leave over the land border.<p>Actually I was thinking of setting up a kind of very inexpensive live-in hackerspace, in the Ukraine perhaps, with workshops for metalwork, electronics etc. and a live-in fabricator. You could live there, study, work on projects, help others.
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ademupover 7 years ago
I spent an extremely memorable month in Ubud 5 years ago writing the software that runs my SO&#x27;s successful consulting business. She still uses the software, and I&#x27;m considering another stint there for my next project.
scurvyover 7 years ago
Must be about ten years since I was last in Bali, but I distinctly remember paying both an entrance and exit visa when visiting.<p>Only Bali downside, the beachy parts can get overrun with Australians acting the way Americans do in Tijuana.
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tvalentiusover 7 years ago
for those who are interested, we also have an active dev community here in Bali. There is Facebook Developer Circles, BaliJS, Python Bali, etc<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;groups&#x2F;devcbali" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;groups&#x2F;devcbali</a> <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;balijs.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;balijs.com&#x2F;</a>
drinchevover 7 years ago
My question to ask is : What about English in Bali?<p>Can you deal with banks &#x2F; landlords &#x2F; supermarkets &#x2F; doctors, etc in English?
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theonethingover 7 years ago
&gt; I can&#x27;t do anything about bats pooping in my bathroom<p>That may be a dealbreaker for me.
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cyberferretover 7 years ago
Ubud is beautiful, and I will probably take a couple of weeks to work there again next year, but I don&#x27;t know if I could ever put down roots in a place like Bali.<p>Full story: I am of Sri Lankan heritage, born and raised in Malaysia and now live in Australia with my own family.<p>So, I know what it is like to live in an Asian country after also living in the West (er, South). My summarised take:-<p>UPSIDES:<p>Bali and other developing Asian countries ARE very cheap to live in for the long term. The food is a big plus to me, but I grew up with most of these foods and fruits, and they are a familiar part of my life. Some westerners may have trouble adapting.<p>For instance, I LOVE durian, but it make most of my Aussie friend retch even when I <i>mention</i> them. Of all the things I miss most about Asia, it is the street food.<p>I also miss the mixes cultures. I really enjoyed going to various friends houses throughout the year to celebrate Chinese New Year, end of Ramadan feasting, Deepavali, Christmas etc. There was a general cohesiveness of different cultures that doesn&#x27;t seem as strong to me in Australia.<p>DOWNSIDES:<p>Most third world countries are rife with corruption. Get arrested in Bali and you better be ready to pony up some hard cash to the officials or else face worse consequences. Health services are also really bad, in terms of emergency services. I routinely get dental work done in Bali, but if I broke a limb or got appendicitis or an infection, I would far rather be back in an Australian hospital.<p>Language can also be a factor, I guess. I speak Malaysian and English, so getting around in Bali is not really an issue for me (Indonesian is 99% similar to Malaysian). However, I would struggle a bit in places like Vietnam or Laos.<p>Bali, and especially Ubud, are being ironically killed by their popularity. A LOT of local Australians I know go there to co-work for weeks at a time, and unfortunately, with tourism also comes nasty things like higher crime and fraud. Bali is becoming less and less safe as some of the less savoury locals learn how to manipulate and extort visitors. The old days of being humbugged by stall holders at the beach seems quaint. The newer operations on unsuspecting tourists are far more sinister.<p>Conclusion - I don&#x27;t mean to put anyone off. Bali is a beautiful place, and Ubud is definitely worth a visit at least once, to work at with your laptop, or for a company retreat. But I wouldn&#x27;t pencil it in as a &#x27;bucket list&#x27; destination. There are plenty of other Asian countries that can offer the same, or if not better opportunities. For those used to the convenience and modernity of the US, perhaps Singapore or Penang (Malaysia) might be a better place to experience the difference in cultures?
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roadbeatsover 7 years ago
Thanks everyone for upvoting.<p>I wanted to share this article in HN because I know many people here are looking for alternative ideas about where to live meanwhile building something independently. Not just Ubud specifically, I recommend people like me to explore developing world and consider alternative places for starting their own venture.<p>Cheers