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Americans Are Receiving Unordered Parcels from E-Criminals

129 pointsby monsieurpngover 7 years ago

14 comments

fapjacksover 7 years ago
I had an interesting experience recently. I ordered a cheap $20 multimeter from Amazon (which was highly rated on EEVblog), which was shipped from China. Interestingly, the Chinese seller shipped me a single little worthless plastic packet of heat-shrink remote control covers (which somewhat humorously I can imagine totally being a thing in Asia, heat-shrink-wrapping all the remotes in plastic, sort of like a couch in plastic). This was what the tracking number package was for, and so I <i>immediately</i> hit my bookmark to chat with an Amazon rep to report fraud. I went through all the motions, they refunded me the amount, I left a negative review. But then that night, I got an email from the seller saying &quot;That was your free gift, the multimeter should be there soon&quot; and indeed, the actual multimeter showed up <i>the next day</i>, albeit with another tracking number. The multimeter was definitely shipped from China the same as the garbage package (via epacket, the subsidized, dirt cheap, glacially slow shipping method), so the seller had to have shipped the stupid garbage package at around the same time as the actual product I ordered. Other reviews mentioned the exact same thing (&quot;They sent me garbage, but I got the thing in another package&quot;).<p>I&#x27;ve spent time thinking about what kind of fraud they&#x27;re committing, because it doesn&#x27;t make sense to me why they would send the garbage package with the tracking number from my order -- which <i>screams</i> fraud -- but then <i>also</i> send me the <i>actual</i> thing I ordered. They&#x27;re sending two packages to the same address, but it doesn&#x27;t make sense why, since they&#x27;re obviously not committing the most straightforward kind of fraud (&quot;We shipped the item, you can see the tracking number&quot;, which incidentally, only works on eBay and not Amazon).
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drawkboxover 7 years ago
I wonder why we have the USPS Chinese subsidy? [1] Seems this makes the shipping fraud too easy as it is low cost.<p><i>It was a small epacket -- a special subsidized shipping option that the USPS offers Chinese merchants, effectively enabling them to ship a parcel from China to the U.S. for less than it costs to send that same parcel domestically</i><p><i>Due to the unbalanced pricing policies of the United Postal Union and subsidies from the U.S. Postal Service, it costs people in China virtually nothing to ship small packages to the U.S.</i><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;wadeshepard&#x2F;2017&#x2F;11&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-the-usps-epacket-gives-postal-subsidies-to-chinese-e-commerce-merchants-to-ship-to-the-usa-cheap&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;wadeshepard&#x2F;2017&#x2F;11&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-the-...</a>
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WalterBrightover 7 years ago
It&#x27;s the free shipping subsidy that&#x27;s the underlying cause. It&#x27;s the same reason we all receive enormous amounts of email spam (for me it&#x27;s a couple hundred per day) - the cost of sending email is zero.<p>I bet the email spam problem could be solved at a stroke if senders were charged $.01 per email.
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tgsovlerkhgselover 7 years ago
Title makes it sound like people are getting shipped drugs and at risk of getting into trouble, not basically empty envelopes.
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theossuaryover 7 years ago
I find it funny the article implies this only happens across international borders, and would otherwise be policed and stopped if it only happened within the US. I receive unwanted junk mail daily and it isn&#x27;t even addressed to me, but to &#x27;Current Resident&#x27;.<p>The real solution is to allow residents to whitelist or blacklist mail. Or better yet tie mail to people and organizations, not places, and allow people to route whatever mail wherever they want.
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dchichkovover 7 years ago
Interesting. As per Washington Post in 2014 USPS was losing about $1 per every package shipped as ePacket from China. These spam shipments effectively are harming USPS.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;storyline&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-postal-service-is-losing-millions-a-year-to-help-you-buy-cheap-stuff-from-china&#x2F;?utm_term=.b5be91c00d80" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;storyline&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;12&#x2F;...</a>
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ared38over 7 years ago
Dumb question: Why are the vendors bothering to send anything?
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sowbugover 7 years ago
This must be why I got a flurry of empty envelopes from China a couple months ago. A+++++ would throw out again.
Shivetyaover 7 years ago
The epacket mailing is very common on low cost items you can find on ebay. I have seen it on items costing pennies and actually have won such an auction for less than a dollar and received what was listed. Now apparently the ebay buying has been safe for me and those I know who also have bought epacket delivered items, now they don&#x27;t come fast but they all have arrived.<p>so which retailers are they skimming for addresses?
codewritinfoolover 7 years ago
This is happening to a coworker but the packages are from Amazon. The stuff inside is mostly junk.
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JorgeGTover 7 years ago
It is not only happening in the US, my SO in Spain received these a few months ago - unsolicited envelopes from China containing a single hair tie each (and once very cheap-looking sunglasses).
curtisblaineover 7 years ago
Wait, can&#x27;t we do the same? I mean, make money exploiting legal loopholes at the cost of Chinese people and government? After all, the borders work two ways.
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randyrandover 7 years ago
I got one of these for the first time about ~1yr ago.
zeepover 7 years ago
at least, they don&#x27;t use USPS to deliver bio weapons yet...