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Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

246 pointsby pinstriped_dudealmost 15 years ago

14 comments

etheraelalmost 15 years ago
Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return?<p>"Not cool enough."<p>The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these points about what they could've done instead which basically amounted to "become a direct competitor with Apple on the retail level" are not realistic considering everything we know about Google and it's views and practices on direct end user support.<p>If the market wants to shoot itself in the foot by choosing shitty products, that's their cross to bear. It's not reasonable to place the blame on one of the few companies that provided an out and had it thrown squarely back in their face. The only problem I fear is that due to the failure of the Nexus One they won't invest in a Nexus Two and the Android ecosystem will become a swirling morass of telco crippled product, thus ending differentiation between it and the competing iOS ecosystem.<p>The article does however make an interesting point, HP might do better with webOS, they are accustomed to end user hand holding and playing the retail / marketing game. If they can push a truly open ecosystem and manage to be successful in units moved as well, they may well end up being what Android might have been if the market had let it go in the direction Google had clearly wanted it to go from inception.
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lkjhgfhjkalmost 15 years ago
We didn't need no net neutrality in Canada.<p>We have two network providers and you have a free choice to get your phone, cable and wireless from whichever one of them operates in your town.<p>Sure we don't get 3G on our kindles and we got the iPhone a year after uzbekistan and we pay twice as much as you do for the data - but that's our choice as Canadian consumers.
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jobeirnealmost 15 years ago
FTA: ``Google could have fought. It had plenty of tools at its disposal. It could have made phones that worked on all of those networks, and then sued those companies if they didn’t allow users to get fair plans.''<p>Does this sound at all like a well-thought-out, reasonable, or mature course of action to suggest that Google could have taken? I don't think so. What exactly does ``a fair plan'' mean? $0.50 less for unlimited texting? $10 less for wireless broadband?<p>FTA: ``That’s fancy language for: Verizon and the nation’s telecoms have yet again won, Google officially became a net neutrality surrender monkey, and you — as an American — have lost.''<p>Sounds to me like Wired is taking a shot at riding a wave of childish rage (and trying to get fat along the way).
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mattmaroonalmost 15 years ago
The comments about phone exclusivity have nothing whatsoever to do with wireless net neutrality, but they do illustrate how everyone seems to want the wireless data and voice providers to turn themselves into valueless, interchangeable commodities fighting on margins much like major airlines. You really can't blame them for not wanting to play that game. Time and again other industries have shown that they will all lose. The exclusive phones and two year contracts are what's keeping their industry at a reasonable profit margin.<p>If I were running Verizon, AT&#38;T, Sprint, etc, I probably would be pro net neutrality, as a lot of the consumers of wireless data will care about it and it will be a valuable feature, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to compete only on price and coverage either. If the people writing about this topic could only see past their loathing of the providers to be fair about it, and exclude off-topic rants about the providers trying to actually make a profit, they might further the discussion a lot better.
mralbiealmost 15 years ago
Is anyone honestly surprised by this? Google played into the telecoms' hands, they created the first viable competitor to the iPhone and gave it to the telecoms saying "do whatever you want with this, feel free to modify it any way you want".<p>Google's vision of a market in which handsets are independent from carriers is absolutely poisonous to the industry's business model. Even though the iPhone is very successful I don't think verizon or sprint are interested at all in a world where they are just a "dumb pipe", they won't allow it.<p>Google lost this war because of their commitment to openness.
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jpdbaughalmost 15 years ago
So from moral prospective is it better to support Android or iOS at this point? Its a fine case of damned if you do damned if you don't.
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icarus_drowningalmost 15 years ago
This article is absolutely ridiculous. Wired should be ashamed -- it is sensationalist, unrealistic, and absolutely dishonest in its characterization of the Google/Verizon policy proposal. The salient mistakes:<p>1. "Google and Verizon announced Monday, as part of their bilateral net neutrality trade agreement they want Congress to ratify, that open wireless rules were unneccessary.<p>“We both recognize that wireless broadband is different from the traditional wire-line world, in part because the mobile marketplace is more competitive and changing rapidly,” the joint statement said. “In recognition of the still-nascent nature of the wireless-broadband marketplace, under this proposal we would not now apply most of the [Net Neutrality] wire-line principles to wireless, except for the transparency requirement.”<p>That’s fancy language for: Verizon and the nation’s telecoms have yet again won, Google officially became a net neutrality surrender monkey, and you — as an American — have lost."<p>The proposal[1] specifically notes that the wireless exemption is time-limited-- it is noted that <i>"at this time"</i> these rules would not apply. The proposal includes an annual review of this position, and the transparency requirement attempts to ensure that this review could be conducted fairly and with good information.<p>2. "Google could have fought. It had plenty of tools at its disposal. It could have made phones that worked on all of those networks, and then sued those companies if they didn’t allow users to get fair plans."<p>Really? And destroyed any hope of Android ending up on those carriers in the future? Does anyone really think this is a sane proposition? (Does anyone believe that Google wouldn't be painted as a litigious bully by the very same critics throwing around such absurd language as "carrier-humping surrender monkeys"?)<p>3. "The FTC would have had a reason to pry into unfair business practices. Google could have eschewed online-only selling and partnered with the many independently owned mobile phone shops around the country, so that potential customers could play with the device before plunking down $500."<p>The reasons for the Nexus One's failures are complex, but I certainly think that one of them was that <i>many consumers don't want to pay $500 for a device</i>, and are more than happy to sign multi-year contracts in order to get a subsidy on a smartphone.<p>4. "Google easily could have attached conditions to all Google-powered Android phones, banning carrier software that can’t be removed just as easily as any other app. (Try getting rid of Sprint’s Nascar app on the EVO — if you don’t have root, it can’t be done.). These conditions also could have banned the blocking of Android 2.2’s built-in ability to be a Wi-Fi hot spot, which both Sprint and Verizon have crippled."<p>I know the "open" crowd isn't a fan of these management policies-- I'm not either-- but it seems hypocritical to assert that certain kinds of customizations shouldn't be allowed on open-source software. The author essentially wants Google to be the arbiter of what "openness" means, and moreover, to apply an unequal standard to customers versus carriers.<p>Boo-hoo, right? Verizon certainly can deal with getting the short end of <i>that</i> stick. But the way they would most likely do that is to drop Android altogether. At which point no one gets to customize it at all.<p>I am continually mystified by the legions of Google critics who expect that, because they are huge, they can do whatever they want-- completely ignoring the fact that they are huge <i>because they often don't do what they want to</i>. Android is a success precisely because it balances openness with pragmatism. At times I disagree on the balance that Google has chosen, but I don't for a minute believe that Google can simply ignore reality and force carriers to accept a model of the internet that they fundamentally disagree with.<p>We can argue about the merits of particular Google decisions (like, say, the wireless exemption in the current policy proposal), but I don't think we get anywhere by mis-characterizing them and using the kind of polarizing, childish language like "carrier humping surrender monkeys".<p>[1]: <a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.google.com/googleblogs/pdfs/verizon_google_legislative_framework_proposal_081010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.google.com/goog...</a>
ghettobillgatesalmost 15 years ago
The Nexus One launch and seemed ghetto and not something I would have expected from Google.
spotalmost 15 years ago
"It could have made phones that worked on all of those networks, and then sued those companies if they didn’t allow users to get fair plans."<p>the networks require different antennas. no phone can work on all of them and be competitive.<p>google got verizon to agree to neutrality on the wire and can continue to fight for fair treatment on wireless. i call this progress.
yanwalmost 15 years ago
Google spokeswoman: “We have taken a backseat to no one in our support for an open internet. We offered this proposal in the spirit of compromise. Others might have done it differently, but we think locking in key enforceable protections for consumers is progress and preferable to no protection.”<p>I have to agree, Google is getting flak here although they are the only company that stood for net neutrality. They are being pragmatic here and everyone is ignoring the good points in this agreement. Also being ignored the fact that this is non-binding agreement that is designed to speed the debate.
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einarvollsetalmost 15 years ago
What? A big corporate behemoth like GOOG being a hypocrite? How utterly, utterly shocking.
agnokapatheticalmost 15 years ago
Unfortunately it seems no one cares about corporate ethics c.f. Facebook.<p>I guess my only option is to buy a few shares of GOOG.
rottencupcakesalmost 15 years ago
When did our culture shift to this point that everyone puts their problems on the government?<p>Everyone complains about Apple's closed iPhone ecosystem, then pesters the government to condone jailbreaking and unlocking, which go against the iPhone's terms of service.<p>Comcast is caught throttling bittorent, and instead of switching providers to satellite or Verizon or anything, everything goes to the government and demands regulation on net neutrality.<p>Since when did it become the american standard to complain to the government when you don't agree with the terms of service instead of just doing it the old fashioned way and speaking with your money? If high speed internet is so important to you and Comcast is the only carrier in your area, then you are at their mercy - they paid money to expand their service to your region and service you - you don't get to demand that they service you in the most favorable way.<p>Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it to, and appealing to legislation just seems wrong.<p>P.S. If you disagree with me and believe that legislation limiting the contacts that can be signed between two parties is necessary, please reply and explain why instead of downvoting an alternate point of view. This isn't reddit.
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jamessedaalmost 15 years ago
It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material