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Ask HN: What happens to society if we run out of oil?

33 pointsby taw55over 7 years ago

10 comments

diafygiover 7 years ago
We won&#x27;t. Over 80% of oil we pull out of the ground is burned for energy, and we are switching to alternatives at a rate that should have us fully transitioned before we run out.<p>And thank god, too. We can only pull up a quarter of our proven reserves before hitting 2 degrees warming (the Paris agreement). We hit 3 degrees warming (where the Pentagon says wars start over food) when we pull up a third of proven reserves.<p>I work in cleantech, and people used to wonder if oil would die at a high price (due to lack of supply) or low price (due to low demand). Nowadays everyone knows it will die at a low price. Also, here&#x27;s my favorite climate change joke, &quot;They say we won&#x27;t act until it&#x27;s too late...Luckily, it&#x27;s too late!&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Carbon_bubble" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Carbon_bubble</a>
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badrabbitover 7 years ago
One thing people often forget when talking about petroleum is plastics and many other uses that have nothing to do with converting petrol into energy.<p>Is there a raw material that can be used to substitute for petrol to make plastics or is there an alternate to plastics for mass production and other uses?
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twobyfourover 7 years ago
A lot of things become much more expensive (likely gradually as supplies dwindle).<p>Electricity, until petroleum-burning plants are replaced with nuclear or renewable alternatives.<p>Travel and shipping, while we come up with alternative ways to fuel jets and ocean liners, and replace our car and truck fleets with electric ones. This cost trickles down to any goods not manufactured locally with locally-sourced materials.<p>Food, until we come up with alternatives to petroleum-derived fertilizers and retrofit our farm machinery to use electric motors.<p>Electric motors and batteries and the raw materials needed for the batteries, as demand for them rises.<p>Plastics (made from petroleum derivatives).<p>Food again, as some crops are diverted into use as combustion fuel or to produce plastics.<p>Some of this is already happening to a limited degree as we exhaust the least expensive sources of petroleum.<p>If the process were to accelerate - and especially if it were to outpace our capacity to substitute non-petroleum-dependent tooling and processes for petroleum-dependent ones - rising prices (especially of food) would presumably lead to social unrest and possibly even instability.
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pjdemersover 7 years ago
There is a quote from an OPEC meeting decades ago: The stone age didn&#x27;t end because the world ran out of stones; the oil age will end long before the world runs out of oil. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;node&#x2F;2155717" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;node&#x2F;2155717</a>
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oil7abibiover 7 years ago
I’m an exploration engineer at Saudi Armaco. It will be a long long time (hundreds of years) before we run out of oil; and each year we discover new kinds of crude reservoirs.
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sunstoneover 7 years ago
First society will quickly transition to electric transportation. Second, society will start synthesizing the organic feedstock it needs for making plastic products.
mythrwyover 7 years ago
We&#x27;ll use other hydrocarbons assuming we haven&#x27;t mostly (hopefully) transitioned off of hydrocarbons by then. Coal (which can be liquefied), natural gas, there is a lot of energy left in the ground.<p>But the dirtiness of burning hydrocarbons has become well recognized so it looks like we won&#x27;t get to that point at all.
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graycatover 7 years ago
Oil? Can make essentially oil from coal, water, and electric power. We can get electric power from nukes, water from the oceans, and here in the US we&#x27;ve got lots of coal. E.g., last I heard, a major fraction of the state of Utah has a layer of coal about 30 feet thick.
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muzaniover 7 years ago
Elon Musk&#x27;s group of companies are look for complete solutions to running society without oil, mainly because they can&#x27;t take oil to other planets. Everything from transportation to power generation and storage.<p>So if we do run out of oil, Musk would probably achieve world domination.
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matt_the_bassover 7 years ago
One less topic to argue about at holiday dinners.