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The shit finally hits the fan....(James Gosling on Oracle vs Google)

188 pointsby bitboxeralmost 15 years ago

18 comments

noonespecialalmost 15 years ago
I... I only carried it for protection! To scare off the bad guys. I never meant for anyone to get <i>shot</i>!
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jcromartiealmost 15 years ago
That's what happens when you sell your hacker company to a bunch of douchebags.
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ericdalmost 15 years ago
Not that it needed the help, but Oracle just became an even less attractive place to work, as a programmer.
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OoTheNigerianalmost 15 years ago
I am not a programmer so permit my probably naive questions.<p>1. How difficult will it be for Google to 're do" Android and base it on another language say Objective C/UNIX like iOS? 2. Do you guys think this will affect Symbian? 3. What other OS's will this affect? 4. Is MYSQL next?
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alanhalmost 15 years ago
<i>“With Oracle, everything is always about money. It is the only metric they know.”</i><p>— Gosling, comment on linked article.
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fnoalmost 15 years ago
Could someone be so kind to explain why this is bad for Java instead being bad for patents? I guess we all agree that software patents are bad. This issue seems to be just about them. Why is Java dragged into this? (Genuine curiosity.)
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mhdalmost 15 years ago
I guess somewhere RMS is grinning from ear to ear.
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JoachimSchipperalmost 15 years ago
This sort of things makes me think that <a href="http://www.illumos.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.illumos.org/</a> (formerly OpenSolaris) could run into trouble sooner rather than later...
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jacquesmalmost 15 years ago
This week seems to be particularly bad for Big Names and their stance on such things as Net Neutrality and Software Patents, first Vint Cerf (who after Jon Postel was my internet hero #2) and now James Gosling, who seems to imply prior knowledge that this one was in the cards.<p>So, if he saw their eyes sparkle that means that he is saying that he had an inkling that they were going to use that patent, and then he says "I hope to avoid getting dragged into the fray".<p>Great guy, not only does he sell a cocked gun to a company that is well known for using guns, on top of that he hopes that he's not even going to have to testify.
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carterschonwaldalmost 15 years ago
for those who can't see the page, heres the coral cache link <a href="http://nighthacks.com.nyud.net/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the" rel="nofollow">http://nighthacks.com.nyud.net/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_fin...</a>
Aegeanalmost 15 years ago
OK but, did google not really think about this possibility? I think it was a very obvious risk and I would think they probably had a plan for this.
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tocommentalmost 15 years ago
Dumb question, isn't Java free and open source now? What are they suing about?
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bmm6oalmost 15 years ago
It seems like there's something missing from the story. I don't see how Google wouldn't have known they were infringing on Sun's patents. How could they release Android without a licensing agreement? It would be insane.
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smokinnalmost 15 years ago
There has to be more behind this. They can't be suing Google just because they wrote their own embedded Java VM because if they were they'd be suing RIM too.<p>And they certainly know RIM develops its own since they say so right on their own site: <a href="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/index-139239.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/index-139239.html</a><p><i>RIM's support for J2ME includes development of its own Java virtual machine (JVM) 1, which supports the Connected Limited Device Configuration (CLDC) and the Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP).</i>
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peripiteaalmost 15 years ago
Text for anyone who can't see it due to site being down:<p>Oracle finally filed a patent lawsuit against Google. Not a big surprise. During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer's eyes sparkle. Filing patent suits was never in Sun's genetic code. Alas....<p>I hope to avoid getting dragged into the fray: they only picked one of my patents (RE38,104) to sue over.
mhdalmost 15 years ago
Okay, at least now I don't have to think about what language to learn next, Clojure or Erlang…
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renekyalmost 15 years ago
Sun poured billions into Java; is it so bad to ask for one of the biggest benefitors to share the profits?
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jc-dentonalmost 15 years ago
They start arguing about it instead of improving it :(