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My Internet Mea Culpa

99 pointsby pixelcortover 7 years ago

11 comments

androver 7 years ago
I grew up in an ex-socialist country and we got our first McDonald&#x27;s in the mid 90s. It was an exciting new thing, a new taste, a new model of restaurants and consumption. My family took us on multiple road trips to the McDonald&#x27;s, which was in a different city. Nobody thought about whether it&#x27;s healthy, because eating there was a privilege. 20 years later, fast food chains are everywhere, and if my attitude hadn&#x27;t changed from the 90s, I&#x27;d have a serious health issue.<p>I feel like the Internet, and social media in particular, are going through the same period. What was once exotic and a privilege, is now instantly-available, algorithmically-optimized junk food. And it&#x27;s not healthy to use it as your main source of nutrition.<p>The good news is that, just like McDonald&#x27;s didn&#x27;t kill good, healthy restaurants, so has social media not killed good, healthy sources of information. Most of the blogs I followed growing up are still active and rediscovering them - and setting up an RSS reader again - has been a great feeling. News sources that give you thoughtful context, instead of a dopamine feed, like The Economist and The New Yorker, are also thriving. Replacing podcasts with audiobooks on my dog walk listen has also gave me pause and perspective.<p>So my New Year&#x27;s resolution is every time I open Twitter or Facebook, to ask myself whether I would eat at a McDonald&#x27;s today.
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malvoseniorover 7 years ago
I don’t think this author speaks for a lot of people in tech. His viewpoint seems to be from a very narrow subculture, mainly Web 2.0 era social networking.<p>Some of us have had a lifelong passion for technology and are actually happy and excited about the current state of the industry (and always have been).<p>If you don’t like people disagreeing with you on Twitter, just turn it off. Don’t claim that it’s part of some apparatus (that the author feels he helped invent) that somehow brought out the worst in humanity. He should feel happy he can now get exposed to views outside of his bubble.
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nemildover 7 years ago
While this is a start, we need a more rational debate about technological trends and their impact.<p>We (technologists) all get very excited about the possible future (Internet, Social Media, cryptocurrencies) without being honest with the problems with these new worlds at scale.<p>The way it works right now:<p>1. Get angry about state of current world (at different times: IBM, Microsoft, Facebook - or current trends like social media)<p>2. Evangelize how new trend will make everything better (today, decentralization and cryptocurrencies)<p>3. Realize that new world has its own set of issues as it grows larger, and external elements co-opt it for their own needs<p>I wish that we had more thoughtful debates about the tradeoffs, rather than seeing new technologies as a panacea.<p>Entrepreneurs who help grow new industries need the self awareness to realize the potential problems with the world they help create. As engineers, we&#x27;re very attuned to potential ways our system can be technically hacked, but for some reason forget to think about the other ways these systems can be &quot;hacked&quot;.<p>For anyone interested, you should read Tim Wu&#x27;s The Master Switch. It&#x27;s a unique window into the idealism of past eras (radio vs telephone, telephone vs telegraph) - and often disappointment that the early evangelists eventually feel.
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darkrover 7 years ago
I enjoyed this article, particularly as someone who tried and failed to complete Kevin Kelly’s “The Inevitable” this year.<p>If the book had been written in 1996, it would have been cute. Unfortunately it was written&#x2F;released in 2016; the level of naivety displayed was shocking. Page after page of techno-utopian stream-of-consciousness futurist masterbation, without so much as a fleeting thought given to social or political repercussions.<p>As a writer, he struck me as either a deeply cynical person, or as someone with no understanding of humanity at all.
tw1010over 7 years ago
Funny how Medium started out being branded as the one clean template alternative to all the others, and has now devolved into just as cluttered as all the rest.
chasingover 7 years ago
This feels overdramatic.<p>The internet has helped humanity in many ways and, frankly, the notion of an individual apologizing for it is absurd.<p>I do feel like there are certain cultural assumptions that have not proven themselves out. Those will need to be addressed if we want to maximize the value of our shared internet for all of us.
zer00eyzover 7 years ago
Sigh,<p>Tech isn&#x27;t inherently evil, neither is a hammer or a gun but both can be used for good or bad.<p>The author lost me when they said &quot;Massive amounts of data is still hidden behind firewalls or not online at all.&quot;<p>Except: Sci-hub, pirate bay, project Gutenberg, wikipedia, IMDB and even here on hacker news (I could go on but these are big ones).<p>Technology (in all forms) doesn&#x27;t change humanity, technology enables humanity to change. It is just a tool and we have to decide what to do with it.<p>If for every Peter Theil we get one Ellon Musk, one space x one step toward progress then by all means I consider it a victory. This is progress, and compared to previous generations the price has been fairly low.
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ep103over 7 years ago
I think you could make an argument for the exact opposite. No, we have not reached the gifts my father or grandfather thought the internet would bring to society. For every hope that widespread communication would bring understanding among the populace and bring power to people instead of the elite, we now have a bot army or fake news infrastructure working to oppose those ideals.<p>But I think these problems, and the problems the author points to, are the result of the current, pre-internet world order attempting to impose itself on the modern web, not the other way around.<p>We&#x27;ve already seen the massive effects of the internet on the populace over the last 15 years or so, and I think a lot of those changes have been both quiet, and genuinely good for people (How many things are common knowledge now, that were never reported on the news, as a quick example?). What we&#x27;re seeing now is the empire strikes back, as established organizations attempt to impose themselves back on this newly connected world before they go the way of the music industry. Whether this is done by manipulating people online, walling off sections of the internet, flooding the internet with propaganda&#x2F;tracking&#x2F;advertising, or simply removing the open nature of the internet in entirety (Net Neutrality), the drive appears to always be the same: large pre-internet organizations imposing traditional order on a new medium. And I think it is these efforts that are responsible for the majority of issues the author raises.<p>Though that&#x27;s not to say the internet itself doesn&#x27;t have a fair share of problems. But even where the internet seems at its worst, I think the problems still primarily come from traditional societal organizations, and it is they, not the internet, that should take the blame and be the focus of change. Let&#x27;s take the surprisingly large influence of racism and fascism that appears to exist online as an example, easily one of the worst aspects of the internet.<p>I think prevalence of hate speech online exists for two major reasons. The first and largest driving force, is that the internet has revealed that outside of the internet, there are essentially no actually truly-free, anonymous, free speech places in a person&#x27;s life. Even online, the number of places where one can state whatever they would like, to their hearts content, without having those thoughts potentially affect their daily life, are extremely rare and need to be sought out. Is it any surprise, then, that the people who seek out such forums are often those who are upset at the end of the day, and feel a need to spit some vitriol? Or that the users of such forums specifically focus saying things they know they could not say in any other aspect of their life?<p>I fail to see this as a shortcoming of the internet, and see it more as an indictment of society at large. Perhaps if there were more places where one can truly speak out at the end of a day, and be heard but not judged or discriminated against, less people would be willing to rage alone against an empty screen. But even if you reject this idea, then the alternative to me seems worse. Because the alternative is that we have to accept that the average person is not capable, or should not be allowed, to navigate accountability-free communication, and society will need to be built accordingly going forward. Hopefully I don&#x27;t need to point out the obvious downside to embracing such a philosophy.<p>That said, I think we did make, and are making one major design mistake, consistently online. And that is that we need to recognize that the way human society works, is that new ideas are shouted by individuals all the time, and then the silent masses judge them, mostly silently, and embrace them slowly into their day to day. On a webpage design level, this needs to be taken into account. If you are listing all comments on your webpage with equal weight, then we need to accept that you&#x27;re going to get a pretty consistent distribution of comments ranging from insightful to hateful, and from thought-provoking to headache inducing. But if you allow the masses to weigh in, for example, by voting on comments, you&#x27;ll find that most of the nauseating hate-filled ideas quickly fall off the radar, just like they do in real life. This is the difference between say, youtube comments and reddit comments. I would love to see websites start taking this a step further, and automatically start banning any users who are consistently voted beneath a certain threshold, just how in real life, everyone ignores the crazy guy on the sidewalk corner after his first diatribe is found to be crazy.
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abusoufiyanover 7 years ago
The Internet was how I really learned what people really thought about others, and it wasn&#x27;t a nice thing to realize but it was necessary. My whole life I was suckered into this idea that people will treat you fairly regardless of your skin color, your gender, your ethnicity, the country you come from, etc. It was easy when no one would say to your face that they judged you on these things. It became difficult when you would go online and see just how many people iterated these sentiments behind a veil of anonymity.<p>We all thought, like the author, that access to the Internet will put people in connection who otherwise don&#x27;t hear from each other, that we will be exposed to new views, be more open-minded, etc. And the opposite has happened. We forgot that the traditional barriers to intercultural understanding are still there: language, tribal sentiment, political and economic power structures, etc. At the end of the day, in a democracy the majority can do anything it wants, even if what it wants is to punish the minority. The Internet has had all the failings of a total democracy in that sense.<p>I also love the point the author makes at the end. Silicon Valley loves to think of itself as a bastion of rationality. But like every group and every ideological movement and every person, it has a set of core beliefs taken on faith and not on evidence. It&#x27;s very possible that the core beliefs and faith on which the Internet as a radically open, radically free, nearly anarchic space was founded, are...wrong...
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jhiskaover 7 years ago
Too little, too late.<p>At this irreversible point it&#x27;s not actual actionable regret, but a merely symbolic act meant to save their conscience from hellish guilt.<p>Besides, the blame for the Facebook-surveillance state and &quot;alternative&quot; facts is dispersed over hundreds of thousands of people. No single individual is responsible. It&#x27;s an out-sized ego with out-sized guilt that motivates him to write the article.
CodinMover 7 years ago
I just want to take the time to tell the author that he&#x27;s not that important and I couldn&#x27;t give a flying rat about him and his egotistical opinion.