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Ask HN: How do I pay taxes on crypto/token trading

48 pointsby beedrillzzzzzover 7 years ago
From what I have read and can assume, in the USA trades between tokens should be treated as tax events to apply short&#x2F;long term capital gains and not like-kind exchanges - tax should be paid immediately (current tax cycle), rather than when exchanged back to fiat.<p>Does anyone have any useful resources or authoritative info &amp; suggestions on how to go about calculating and reporting taxes on crypto and ethereum tokens?<p>Thank you in advance.

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PhrosTTover 7 years ago
This is pretty awesome:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;personalfinance&#x2F;comments&#x2F;7p9a2t&#x2F;cryptocurrency_a_guide_to_common_tax_situations&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;personalfinance&#x2F;comments&#x2F;7p9a2t&#x2F;cry...</a>
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kumarskiover 7 years ago
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zenledger.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zenledger.io</a><p>My friends and I have been building out tech in this space. (no we&#x27;re not doing an ICO= we&#x27;ve been asked if we are by so many people, jesus)<p>The 1031 laws change things for people, feel free to ping me if you have deeper questions.
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goodoldboysover 7 years ago
I use bitcoin.tax and it&#x27;s made things so much easier. You can import trading history from the major exchanges and for any non-major exchange trading you can import manually or with a CSV.<p>It&#x27;s free for up to 100 &quot;events&quot; (trades, mining, gifts, income, etc) and a reasonable $20 per year for anything above that.<p>I&#x27;ll be taking the output from that software to give to my accountant and go from there.
colecutover 7 years ago
Here are some links I have come across<p>My favorite summary: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1156706&#x2F;a-guide-to-paying-taxes-on-bitcoin-investments&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1156706&#x2F;a-guide-to-paying-taxes-on-bitcoin-in...</a><p>This was linked from a message on GDAX: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;pub&#x2F;irs-drop&#x2F;n-14-21.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;pub&#x2F;irs-drop&#x2F;n-14-21.pdf</a><p>And some additional tax tips: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointelegraph.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;crypto-tax-tips-to-start-2018-right" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointelegraph.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;crypto-tax-tips-to-start-2018...</a>
bitthrowover 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s quite as straightforward as people are making it out to be here, especially when considering forks. If you bought BTC a year ago and sell BCH (or BTC) today, what was your purchase price?<p>There are currently a couple of dozen Bitcoin forks, each with arguably equal claim to be the true successor. So it&#x27;s difficult enough if you bought before all the forks and are selling all of your BTC in one go now, but lord help you and your accountant if you&#x27;ve bought or sold any inbetween some of the forks.
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nlombardiover 7 years ago
I actually just wrote an article on this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@nkmlombardi&#x2F;the-complicated-landscape-of-cryptocurrency-taxation-fde0e1baca99" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@nkmlombardi&#x2F;the-complicated-landscape-of...</a>
throwaway011114over 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t think it has to be such a headache as long as you keep records. What I plan on doing is calculating my gains and losses using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.tax&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.tax&#x2F;</a> and bringing the report to a CPA to check over.<p>Not sure about the &quot;paid immediately&quot; part. That&#x27;s news to me actually. Can anybody else weigh in on this?<p>Edit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;faqs&#x2F;estimated-tax" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;faqs&#x2F;estimated-tax</a> suggests you do if you expect to owe more than $1,000 in taxes.
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philipodonnellover 7 years ago
The tax accounting isn&#x27;t that complicated. I don&#x27;t have anything specific to point you to, but for the most part, cryptocurrency assets will be treated like any other asset like a stock or bond. If you sell it for more than you bought it for then you owe taxes on the difference in the tax year you made the sale.<p>The only reason it seemed complicated is people were trying to gimmick their way out of it by making complicated arguments for preferential tax treatment. This is always the way it was headed IMHO.
companyhenover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m using <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointracking.info" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointracking.info</a> - great support so far when I run into issues.<p>10% off with my Affilate link - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointracking.info?ref=Z106753" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointracking.info?ref=Z106753</a><p>(^ if this is not allowed I can remove it)
aryzleover 7 years ago
From Bluecobra, thought it was really good and worth repost<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2017-12-21&#x2F;tax-free-bitcoin-to-ether-trading-in-u-s-to-end-under-gop-plan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2017-12-21&#x2F;tax-f...</a>
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kruhftover 7 years ago
Capitol Gains when converted to cash, in Canada.<p>Keep your records.
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flignatsover 7 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.tax&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.tax&#x2F;</a>
throwaway481516over 7 years ago
Do you know what is the tax situation for non-residents using an US exchange to convert to fiat? Should non-citizens, non-residents also pay capital gain tax?