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Were the Cuban sonic attack victims actually poisoned?

121 pointsby fern12over 7 years ago

18 comments

awaltonover 7 years ago
Literally from the first moment the story broke, I had completely discounted the magical sonic weapon theory and was wondering what was in their environment and whether they had instead been poisoned. It fits <i>vastly</i> better, and there are much better questions to be asked probing the nature of the poisoning. The entire &quot;sonic weapon&quot; angle seemed to be some kind of fabrication to <i>immediately</i> drum up Cold War feelings against Cuba and the ongoing efforts to end the embargo and return to normalcy.<p>In fact, it was this very story that makes me wonder to this day if Obama&#x27;s move to normalize relations with Cuba in 2014-15 was the inciting incident behind Russia&#x27;s decision to start the Digital Cold War in the first place.
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tyingqover 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t know that there&#x27;s enough info for an outsider to reliably guess what actually happened...poison, versus microwave attacks, versus sonic attacks, etc.<p>However, there seems to be enough smoke to assume &quot;some kind of deliberate attack&quot;.<p>That, on it&#x27;s own, seems enough to dictate the path forward. More onus and pressure on the Cubans to solve it. Certainly they could provide an environment immune from most vectors.
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spyderover 7 years ago
How could it be tinnitus if there is a recording of the sound?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ocwjNJ6EGyQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ocwjNJ6EGyQ</a>
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sowbugover 7 years ago
&quot;Salvi said drugs prescribed to alleviate the side effects of chemotherapy, like Cisplatin....&quot; Correction: Cisplatin <i>is</i> the chemotherapy drug that causes those side effects. It is indeed ototoxic.
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tritiumover 7 years ago
If this story keeps showing up in the news, but without any real information, I’d suspect that this constant simmering vagueness belies undisclosed information locked behind operational secrecy that prevents the public from understanding the media pressure and the suspicion.<p>This is to say, fingers are being pointed, but we only receive incomplete information. It’s sort of like seeing two neighbors bicker about trash collection and garbage cans, but they leave out glaring details about known trash can abductions by space aliens, that they’ve been summoning with multi-colored LED flash lights.
rev_nullover 7 years ago
What if it was an accidental poisoning? Maybe the embassy got a shipment of bad rum. Methanol poisoning would explain the white matter damage and disorientation.
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c3534lover 7 years ago
I&#x27;m going to guess it&#x27;s not a physics-breaking, direct and conspicuous attack on foreign diplomats for observable reason.
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drpgqover 7 years ago
As a Canadian, this has always seemed weird that they were Canadian victims too. Sure Canada is a US ally, but there&#x27;s been a pretty big difference in policy toward Cuba between the two.
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mehrdadnover 7 years ago
...poison? Aren&#x27;t there actual recording(s) of the sounds? [1]<p>I guess this doesn&#x27;t rule out them having bee poisoned on top of it, but it sure does raise eyebrows. Are they hypothesizing sounds were used to cover up the poison or something?<p>And given that even the article acknowledges some had concussions (here&#x27;s another source I saw it in [2]) I&#x27;m not sure why the poison hypothesis is being entertained?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ghdLfQsztBo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ghdLfQsztBo</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2017&#x2F;sep&#x2F;14&#x2F;mystery-of-sonic-weapon-attacks-at-us-embassy-in-cuba-deepens" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2017&#x2F;sep&#x2F;14&#x2F;mystery-of-son...</a>
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arca_voragoover 7 years ago
FBI and other sweeps have repeatedly turned up nothing localized, so whatever is transmitting is likely not in the building(s) unless they are passive-reflectors. The general public probably have no idea just how advanced directed energy weapons are these days, which is what I am guessing this is, but I think they might be <i>much</i> longer range than people thing. Of course it&#x27;s all speculation.
ackfooover 7 years ago
Because of the embargo, Cubans are using a lot of stuff that the rest of us got rid of a long time ago.<p>I would guess that the cause is something in the environment to which native Cubans have developed a tolerance or else an avoidance habit.<p>Embassy personnel go there and live in the community without these habits or tolerance, and some of them get sick.
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helyerartover 7 years ago
Something like this may explain the localized noise: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg23431264-600-ultrasonic-speaker-lets-you-whisper-to-people-30-metres-away&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg23431264-600-ultrason...</a>
debtover 7 years ago
Could be a stolen US&#x2F;China weapon or at least a stolen smaller component of a larger US weapon. Or stolen IP of some new weapon which was then built by the thieves.<p>Maybe this was originally supposed to be use as a component of missile defense and now it’s been repurposed as a brain melter.<p>I only say this because I don’t know if many countries have the budget to develop advanced, new weaponry.<p>This may be a leak of epic proportions as some group is running around with some deadly advanced new weapon.<p>The existence of these weapons might reveal which weapons our government is focused on.
KboPAacDA3over 7 years ago
Intense stress can also cause these symptoms.
Nicksilover 7 years ago
Skeptoid had a very interesting episode [0] on this subject recently. The analysis points to a mass psychogenic event; makes sense.<p>References and further reading located at end of article.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;skeptoid.com&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;4603" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;skeptoid.com&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;4603</a>
Gibbon1over 7 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ciguatera" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ciguatera</a><p>Duh.
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fgGAMIover 7 years ago
They all had sex with the same prostitutes exclusive to US diplomats and contracted a form of syphilis that causes brain damage.
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basicplus2over 7 years ago
Microwave attack&#x2F;accident