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Ask HN: What's your email setup?

36 pointsby 6ak74rfyover 7 years ago
Do you use Gmail like almost everyone out there?<p>If not, you must be someone who cares about their privacy. How do you cope with the fact that almost everyone you email to uses Gmail? In other words, if the people you interact with on email don&#x27;t use secure&#x2F;encrypted email, how does whatever effort you put into help?

19 comments

johnklosover 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve run my own email server since the mid 1990s. While it&#x27;s not trivial, it&#x27;s certainly not all that difficult. What I find strange and suspicious, though, is how quickly and readily people go out of their way to actively discourage others, and how there&#x27;s this crazy push to move everyone and everything in to the &quot;cloud&quot;. This even happens in places where running one&#x27;s own email server is expected, such as the selfhosted reddit channel.<p>There are two problems with that, broadly speaking. One, if we care about privacy and security, the &quot;cloud&quot; doesn&#x27;t have that. Google can genuinely try all they want to keep things secure, but we know without doubt, thanks to Mr. Snowden, that people who actually work for TLA agencies are working at Google (and Amazon, and Microsoft, and Yahoo, et cetera). So is our data REALLY safe? Even if they&#x27;re not interested in our data specifically, the data can&#x27;t be said to be safe.<p>The other problem is that email with Gmail and others is not deterministic. In the real world of email, you either get an email or you don&#x27;t. If you don&#x27;t, you can look at your logs and see why. You&#x27;ll end up with a precise reason why delivery failed. With Gmail and friends, though, they might simply not like the choice of subject, or they might not like the attached picture, or they may simply not like the cut of the sending server&#x27;s jib. I&#x27;ve been told that access to email logs for businesses is better than it used to be, but do you think a user who gets free Gmail gets to know why a specific email wasn&#x27;t delivered?<p>Finally, I think Gmail accounts shouldn&#x27;t be usable for WHOIS and for abuse addresses because they can&#x27;t accept abuse complaints. I consider any WHOIS or any Internet service provider which uses Gmail to be amateurish and unprofessional. There&#x27;s nothing less professional than setting up an email for incoming abuse complaints that filters abuse complains.
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kotrungaover 7 years ago
I use ProtonMail, and tell people that if they care about secure email, they should too.<p>I looked in to other services, like FastMail, but from what I&#x27;ve seen, they aren&#x27;t as secure. I&#x27;m no security master, but according to these:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastmail.com&#x2F;about&#x2F;privacy.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastmail.com&#x2F;about&#x2F;privacy.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2013&#x2F;oct&#x2F;07&#x2F;australias-fastmail-secure-email-nsa" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2013&#x2F;oct&#x2F;07&#x2F;australia...</a><p>FastMail is subject to the Australian government, so if a &quot;properly authorised Australian law enforcement&quot; person comes, there goes your privacy.<p>Do others use ProtonMail? Or is there another email service that&#x27;s as secure? I&#x27;m no master, just trying to go after security. However, email is email, so you can only be so secure, especially when emailing people with gmail accounts, etc.
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rfreytagover 7 years ago
I use mail-in-a-box: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;</a> on a small linode.<p>Has been serving me well for years.<p>For one other email I use Rackspace Email at $2&#x2F;month: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rackspace.com&#x2F;email-hosting" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rackspace.com&#x2F;email-hosting</a>
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K0nservover 7 years ago
I use Fastmail after switching away from Gmail and Google pretty much entirely. The core issue with Gmail and other free services is that since you aren&#x27;t paying for the service they need to sustain in some other fashion(mining your data for example). With Fastmail I know that it&#x27;s in their best interest to do what&#x27;s right for their customers.<p>I use an alias system so I can have email addresses for specific purposes and signups. Also have a bunch of other assorted email addresses.
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Philomathover 7 years ago
I use namecheap for email hosting. A while ago I read quite a lot and it was my preferred option. Maybe there is something better now. Regarding your other concern, although theoretically they shouldn&#x27;t map my custom email with my usage of chrome or Google maps, I have to admit that most likely they can do some correlations and target me anyway. Still, they will not know about what I buy or where I go (flight emails etc)I, and that&#x27;s already something.
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feistypharitover 7 years ago
I use migadu.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.migadu.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.migadu.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html</a>
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oblibover 7 years ago
I also use mail-in-a-box: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;</a><p>Honestly, after 20 years of using 3rd party services I got tired of being subjected to their whims and issues. The straw that broke my back was when Mandrill was taken over by MailChimp.<p>Not that there&#x27;s anything wrong with MailChimp, my problem was with investing my time learning how to do things &quot;their way&quot; and exposing myself once again to a 3rd party&#x27;s whims and issues.<p>It took me some time to go through all the necessary steps to get mail-in-a-box set up and secured but it was worth the effort and I learned a lot in the process and got a lot more than just email for my efforts.<p>And it was a lot easier than I&#x27;d expected. The mail-in-a-box team has done some great work on that project and the community support is solid.
coroboover 7 years ago
I use Fastmail to punt all of my domains&#x27; catchall inbound mail into my Gmail account.<p>&gt; you must be someone who cares about their privacy<p>That&#x27;s quite an assumption. I care about privacy but use Gmail. Email is not, has never been, will never be private. It&#x27;s a postcard protocol.
0ktoover 7 years ago
I am a posteo [1] subscriber. Superior set of features [2] (privacy, security, encryption), runs on green power, no ads &#x2F; tracking, groups in address book, nice staff -- for 1€ per month. Also supports mandatory TLS transfer (or doesn&#x27;t send the email), if wanted. Couldn&#x27;t be happier since ~5yrs!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posteo.de&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posteo.de&#x2F;en</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posteo.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;site&#x2F;features#featuresprivacy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posteo.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;site&#x2F;features#featuresprivacy</a>
stunpixover 7 years ago
I setup my mail server manually from scratch with my own scripts. I never had such experience before, so it was total pain and I spent about 2 weeks to get fully working healthy server. Now I know what is behind curtains and how complex mail serving nowadays. At the moment I&#x27;m deciding: stay with my own server or trow this headache and buy a service like Migadu or fastmail.
SkyLinxover 7 years ago
The past year I&#x27;ve tried to leave Google and have tried, in order, Zoho, Rackspace Email, self hosting and am currently with Fastmail. However I&#x27;ve planned moving back to Google this coming weekend. I just miss many features and services and the integration between them.
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Random_Personover 7 years ago
I have old yahoo addresses that refuse to die. My &quot;main&quot; email is Gmail, but all of my domains are hosted on Dreamhost and have email, so I have addresses on all of them also, but forward to my Gmail for reading&#x2F;cataloging. Work uses a Microsoft account.
closedover 7 years ago
Based on a recommendation from HN, I switched to fastmail.com. I create aliases for most new services I sign up for, and treat the actual email address like a secret. Being able to &quot;turn off&quot; annoying services is a delight!
atsushinover 7 years ago
I use Gmail for most things. I also use ProtonMail, and I want to migrate things to there because I do care about my privacy but it seems to be too much hassle and I don&#x27;t have enough time.
Elect2over 7 years ago
I&#x27;m using Gmail and considering host my own email server. But the only&#x2F;big thing stopped me to do that is how to filter SPAM. Gmail is really useful for SPAM filtering.
sosilkjover 7 years ago
If you care about privacy, use PGP.<p>You can use PGP with a gmail account.
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dundercoderover 7 years ago
I’ve been toying with the idea of a postfix&#x2F;dovecot&#x2F;spamassasin&#x2F;opendkim solution.<p>I don’t need one more thing to do, but the big G has me worried.
kdvover 7 years ago
These days you pretty much have to choose between privacy (e.g Protonmail, Fastmail, self-hosted) and security (Google). Account security should matter more since your primary email address probably holds the keys to the kingdom for the rest of your digital life. Oh, and privacy as you know it is essentially dead.
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buffalooover 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t see a lot of love for Office365; any particular reason why?
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