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Smart homes and vegetable peelers

69 pointsby lpolovetsover 7 years ago

9 comments

tjoffover 7 years ago
A smart home that is reliant on the cloud is dumb.<p>Self-hosted is the only acceptable alternative here where even the raspberry pi has more processing power to run hundreds of homes.<p>A simple service to route mobile apps through the potential NAT is the only thing the cloud should be needed for. Obviously downloading &quot;drivers&quot;&#x2F;configurations are a valid user case but that&#x27;s part of the setup-process.<p>Not saying that everyone should tinkle with a RPI but it is trivial to create a more user friendly device. The fact that Amazon, Google, Apple etc. don&#x27;t even attempt this is just a consequence of them being hell bent on making money from crap.
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bryanlarsenover 7 years ago
&quot;Most people in the UK have an electric kettle, but that&#x27;s not true in the USA&quot;<p>This has two causes: the prevalence of tea and the availability of 220V 10A kettles in the UK vs 115V 13A kettles in the States. Almost double the power means a boil in little more than half the time, making the electric kettle insanely useful.<p>New kitchens in the States generally have 20A outlets[1] so why won&#x27;t anybody sell me a 115V 18A kettle? Make one for me, I will give you lots of money! The fact that it will have a funny plug is a feature to help you sell it by emphasizing its uniqueness and help you sell it, not an obstacle!<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.homedepot.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;Leviton-20-Amp-Commercial-Grade-Duplex-Outlet-White-R62-CBR20-00W&#x2F;202066702" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.homedepot.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;Leviton-20-Amp-Commercial-Grade-...</a>
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lancebeetover 7 years ago
My issue with smart homes is that they seem to provide few tangible benefits compared to earlier inventions, such as those that are mentioned in the article. An electric whisk will save you several minutes if you&#x27;re whipping up some cream (more if you&#x27;re old or disabled), and there are practically no disadvantages. If it breaks, you can simply use a manual whisk.<p>Smart locks, smart lighting, smart ovens etc may save you seconds at best, and redundancy (code&#x2F;physical key access, backup light switches etc) are much less obvious, and may make the product less aesthetically appealing, not to mention the privacy&#x2F;security issues that have been plaguing the IoT market. Perhaps we are, as the author suggests, yet to discover the areas where smart devices will eventually become successful and ubiquitous, but using his approach of finding such areas fails me.
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rwmjover 7 years ago
&gt; <i>[W]hen I go into my bathroom, do I want the light turned on? The answer is always yes, so why do I have to press the light switch?</i><p>I have some battery-powered PIR LED lights in my bathroom that turn on automatically. Very useful (especially at night), they <i>don&#x27;t</i> need to be connected to the internet, and you can buy them right now.<p>Edit: These ones: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mrbeams.co.uk&#x2F;lights&#x2F;universal-light&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mrbeams.co.uk&#x2F;lights&#x2F;universal-light&#x2F;</a> (other brands are available)
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chicobover 7 years ago
This is an interesting article in what respects the making of an important question: will this step simplify anything? I usually think that most &quot;smart&quot; solutions are gimmicks for true believers. I am not a technophobe or a luddite, but sometimes the old fashioned, manual solution is the best. Sometimes I think people confuse practical with lazy.<p>For example, automating an irrigation&#x2F;fertilization system in our small backyard garden for those summer days we&#x27;re away seems a pretty good idea. But, at least for me, caring for a garden asks for a little more that keeping it alive automatically. Of course, that not maybe the case for many people and this is a grey area. But why automate, say, the toilet flush or soap dispenser unless you&#x27;re in a hospital or such environment?<p>Many of these solutions sound like the next startup pushing something in the hopes of leveraging a hype into profit.<p>And I also find it a little uncanny that this kind of articles make no mention of security or privacy concerns.
gambitingover 7 years ago
&quot;Samsung Group&#x27;s strategy is very clear - it wants the fridge, the cooker, the AC unit and the dishwasher all to use the Samsung voice assistant, &quot;<p>You mean the voice assistant that literally failed 3 times during the live presentation?<p>I cannot imagine many things that I would like less in my house than voice-assisted smart devices. Huge spiders, possibly.
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pathsjsover 7 years ago
I find it weird that the metaphor here is that smart devices will become as ubiquituous as electric peelers, which I have never seen in my life :-? I still peel my fruit by hand - if that - and I have never seen anyone do otherwise
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jerfover 7 years ago
&quot;Many of the things that get a connection or become &#x27;smart&#x27; in some way will seem silly to us, just as many things that got &#x27;electrified&#x27; would seem silly to our grandparents - tell them that you have a button to adjust the mirrors on your car, or a machine to chop vegetables, and they&#x27;d think you were soft in the head, but that&#x27;s how the deployment of the technology happened, and how it will happen again.&quot;<p>There is a relevant difference though. The button to adjust the mirrors in my car carry no significant disadvantages, other than a very nebulous and easily-dischargeable moral hazard. (That is, even if you are worried about the &quot;laziness&quot; of using a button to set your mirrors, you can easily negate this simply by using the time or effort saved on some other worthy goal; even my great-grandpa couldn&#x27;t really argue with that.)<p>But a lot of these &quot;smart&quot; devices carry <i>several</i> non-trivial disadvantages: Almost every one of them is actively spying on you; a non-trivial number of them are smart for the <i>sole purpose of spying on you</i> because there is no other current economic reason for the device to be smart. They generally add a dependency to an external cloud service, which in many cases has a shorter expected life span than the device itself. I&#x27;d submit that corporations would be <i>far</i> less enthusiastic about &quot;smart devices&quot; if they were not <i>planning</i> on abandoning them after a couple of years, and instead had to book a 10-20 year liability on to the books to account for future support, even just security updates for any network-attached devices that don&#x27;t hook to a &quot;cloud&quot;. They add interface complexity to what is often a relatively simple device, at least prior to its smartification. Some people may love their &quot;smart lightswitches&quot; but there&#x27;s just no way to beat the light switch in terms of complexity.<p>I don&#x27;t think the &quot;you&#x27;re just the old fogey of the future&quot; argument here, along with frankly being a bit audience-hostile, works. I&#x27;d submit as further evidence for this that a lot of us who are most worried about all the smart devices and most resistant <i>are</i> the neophiles who have been surfing the cutting edge for a long time. I&#x27;ve been a neophile for a long time, and I can present evidence that I&#x27;m still a neophile in other contexts, but whoa, nelly, I&#x27;m not filling my house with this stuff. Even my phone and I have an uneasy relationship at times.<p>(I used to be excited about the thought of having a home robot for various tasks. But now I can expect that home robot to be hooked to the cloud, and literally spying on everything its sensors can get at, which is everything in my house, and turning the full &quot;nudging&quot; power of every company involved into manipulating me and sucking dollars out of my wallet with every scuzzy trick anyone has ever thought up. It&#x27;ll bring the non-ad-blocked browser experience into the real world. I&#x27;m much less excited now. Perhaps I&#x27;ll be able to afford to pay extra for the ones that don&#x27;t do that, but we&#x27;re still talking a social problem here for those who can&#x27;t.)<p>Let me end with a re-iteration of the fact that the whole industry excitement about &quot;smart&quot; is almost certainly entirely predicated on those industry&#x27;s fully-justified belief that they can toss a product out into the world, and abandon it the instant it ceases to be useful for milking their userbase of advertising dollars, which is &quot;immediately&quot; for some things like light bulbs. If the industry had to account for long-term support, the industries would be singing a completely different tune... how could a smart lightbulb carrying 10- or 20-year liabilities, often with a non-trivial black swan chance (think Mirai here) of requiring very swift and very serious reworking of the firmware, possibly compete with a dumb lightbulb where the companies only carry very calculable and relatively brief warrantee obligations? There&#x27;s a non-trivial way in which this excitement about smart devices is <i>predicated</i> on screwing customers naive enough to buy these things.
stuaxoover 7 years ago
I got confused at the electric vegetable peeler, I&#x27;ve never seen such a thing, how often do you need to peel vegetables ?