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On the Nature of Wine

57 pointsby Turukawaabout 7 years ago

5 comments

cmrdporcupineabout 7 years ago
This is a pretty good article, though it might be hard for people to grasp who aren&#x27;t already keen observers of the wine industry.,<p>I personally like the so-called &quot;natural&quot; wines mostly because they are _different_ in a world of same-same. I don&#x27;t buy the &#x27;natural&#x27; designator so much, but I&#x27;ve made wines from my own vineyard in this &#x27;orange wine&#x27; style; they are difficult wines to consume but rewarding in their own way. But I use sulfites, so they&#x27;re not &quot;natural&quot;.<p>The &quot;international style&quot; of wines that has taken over everything since the success of California and Australia on the world market (and the ossification of European wines behind ridiculous regulations) becomes boring to some after a few years of consumption. I have no interest in drinking yet another Cabernet Sauvignon, And as an amateur wine maker in a difficult climate, I can&#x27;t grow that anyways.<p>Frankly, if these wine makers in Europe were truly concerned with going eco&#x2F;natural, they&#x27;d eschew the use of the pure Vitis vinifera species and the classic clonal varieties which are sometimes over a 1000 years old (the actual individual plant! cloned millions of times!) and require a continual chemical cocktail of intensive fungicides to merely survive. They&#x27;re horribly mal-adapted to the actual &#x27;natural&#x27; world and die horribly if not constantly coddled. No, instead they&#x27;d grow modern hybrids with North American species which have superior fungal resistance and better cold hardiness to boot. In the dry European climate North American hybrids would require almost no spraying. But the EU has made them illegal. For basically awful essentialist quasi-&quot;racist&quot; (to abuse the term) reasons.<p>But as this article points out, the contradiction here is that &quot;natural&quot; is by no means natural -- there is a peculiar European obsession with a &#x27;pure tradition&#x27; which manifests in wine in this constant obsession with traditional varieties and techniques -- when in fact wine as we know it is an entirely Modernist invention. Sure, wine was consumed in the middle ages and Roman times -- but we&#x27;d hate those wines, even the natural wine lovers would.
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krylonabout 7 years ago
I admit that I do not get at all why people make such a fuss about wine. At the end of the day its purpose is to get people drunk and not taste too bad along the way. Turning it into a sorta-science seems silly to me, as the endgame is getting wasted. ;-)<p>OTOH, I used to be like that with tea, especially Green Tea and Oolong. When it comes to tea, I can be a real snob, and with good reason. With tea there really <i>are</i> so many subtle nuances it boggles my mind to this very day. If you are in the position to do some research, spend some money on fine teas, you can experience tasty pleasures that are beyond what words can describe. And I can go on and on and on about that, without noticing that people who do not care about tea that much get bored really fast.<p>So to some other people, wine is what tea is for me. And in fairness, I have not much experience drinking fancy wines. But I have no desire to, either. When I want sophisticated nuanced sensual pleasure, I drink Tea. When I want to get blotto, I drink wine.<p>These days, I am more pragmatic about it, but I still shiver at the sight of teabags.
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borktabout 7 years ago
I see natural as good term that can be used to describe the idea of vinifying fruit with the minimal intervention. My issue is that wine that anyone would ever want to drink has to involve an artificial process to some degree. Even in most serious &quot;natural wine&quot; there is care taken to tend the vines before during and after the growing season. There is a picking decision made by the winemaker. I am not too well versed in specific producers but I am pretty sure at least one is fermenting the wines in barrels or some other vessel in the vineyard in which they grew. Every year or so a small segment of natural wine producers seem to create another breakthrough that makes their wines more natural than the last.<p>All of this is to say that the natural wine moving taken to its extreme conclusion would end with an untended vineyard where fruit falls on the ground after raisining and the juice ferments into the dirt. While this is the most natural process, it is not something anyone would ever consider drinking. I can show you a few places in my town where they have been unwittingly on the cutting edge of the natural wine movement without ever giving a single thought to the fact there is a vine on their property in years.<p>What I personally feel is the the spirit of natural winemaking style is to produce a wine of distinction with minimal intervention. This is an interesting style but I still believe it to be a fad no greater (or worse) than the international style mentioned by cmrdporcupine.<p>What I see as the ideal winemaking style is to produce a wine from a specific vineyard that most accurately conveys its sense of place and the vintage in which it was produced. It takes a winemaker with a wide range of experience, one familiar with all of the possible tools they may use to intervene, but extremely hesitant about using them. They can be byodynamic, they can be organic, and they can even use conventional pesticides and fertilizers provided the winemaker has selected them specifically to express what he or she feels is the essence of the vineyard.
barrkelabout 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t expect this article to give rise to insightful commentary; articles on wine invariably have two kinds of commenters, the dismissives and the aesthetes, and they usually talk past one another.<p>The dismissives mention things like blind taste testers not being able to distinguish red from white or blind tasters preferring cheap wine to expensive. Look into this a bit further, and you find that the first study was actually about phrases used to describe wine falling into two categories, one associated with reds and another associated with whites, and the colour of the wine appeared to be the distinguishing factor in which set of phraseology was chosen; while the second has curious echoes of Coke vs Pepsi leading to New Coke. Small samples don&#x27;t give the full effect of a wine, wine will taste different when you have it with different food, or in a different order compared with other wines, on a cold palate vs a warm palate (i.e. is this your first taste of alcohol of the evening - first is usually harshest), or straight out of the bottle vs aerated, and indeed it&#x27;ll taste different depending on what you think the relative price is - especially so if you have fewer other criteria to judge it with.<p>I&#x27;m on the aesthetes&#x27; side. I&#x27;m far from an expert, and only drink about 20 bottles a year, but when I do it&#x27;s either in a taste test situation, or as paired wines in a tasting menu, or vintages selected from appellations and grapes chosen for their typical character. I wish I could find whites that taste like reds, but I dislike almost all unaccompanied whites, with some exceptions around sauternes, some Rieslings, Gewürztraminer, etc.; and I wish I could find cheap reds that taste like intense Cote Rotie syrah or savoury Burgundy pinot noir, but the same grapes grown elsewhere come nowhere close. Most New World syrah &#x2F; shiraz is too alcoholic, while pinot noir is a completely different beast when it&#x27;s grown in too sunny a climate. Slovenia has come closest to making some decent Burgundy-style pinot noir to my taste.<p>My point being that the &quot;hierarchy&quot; in wine is, to my mind, at least a local optimum or close to it. Within the appellations that I prefer most, I&#x27;ve observed a reasonably strong correlation between price and my preferences. I think winemakers have been doing a kind of local gradient ascent as technology improves their product - it would be unusual for them to do otherwise - and the argument that preservatives etc. improve ageing ability as well as transport is fairly strong to my mind, as my preferred vintages are usually not younger than 4 years. I&#x27;m not big on fresh fruit flavours.<p>I would expect &quot;natural&quot; wines to have higher variance (though unblended wine has a fairly high variance between vintages already). If the winemaker is good, and the product is good in spite of less ability to control the end product, great; whether such wine could survive hanging around Amazon&#x27;s warehouses and reaching customers in good condition, I&#x27;m less convinced - I&#x27;ve had bad tawny port from Amazon, it takes some effort to make such a hardy product go bad.<p>So all in, I think this article is mostly a marketing effort for the few winemakers who think they can create a decent product following the schtick; I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s likely to actually produce a significantly better product; I don&#x27;t buy that the existing hierarchy is particularly wrong (but it is warped by big money in things like Bordeaux, for sure); and I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll be inclined to buy more natural wine since I think the probability it turns out mediocre is much higher.
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bitwaveabout 7 years ago
Thought it is about WINE <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.winehq.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.winehq.org&#x2F;</a> :)
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