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American companies are suppressing wages for many workers

142 pointsby ColinFCodeChefabout 7 years ago

18 comments

michaelbuckbeeabout 7 years ago
The linked article mentions outsourcing, but it was this other _fantastic_ article [1] on the structural issues of the current wage economy that really helped me understand just how different things are:<p>&quot;Thirty years ago, she says, you could walk into any hotel in America and everyone in the building, from the cleaners to the security guards to the bartenders, was a direct hire, each worker on the same pay scale and enjoying the same benefits as everyone else. Today, they’re almost all indirect hires, employees of random, anonymous contracting companies: Laundry Inc., Rent-A-Guard Inc., Watery Margarita Inc. In 2015, the Government Accountability Office estimated that 40 percent of American workers were employed under some sort of “contingent” arrangement like this—from barbers to midwives to nuclear waste inspectors to symphony cellists. Since the downturn, the industry that has added the most jobs is not tech or retail or nursing. It is “temporary help services”—all the small, no-brand contractors who recruit workers and rent them out to bigger companies.<p>The effect of all this “domestic outsourcing”—and, let’s be honest, its actual purpose—is that workers get a lot less out of their jobs than they used to. One of Batt’s papers found that employees lose up to 40 percent of their salary when they’re “re-classified” as contractors. In 2013, the city of Memphis reportedly cut wages from $15 an hour to $10 after it fired its school bus drivers and forced them to reapply through a staffing agency. Some Walmart “lumpers,” the warehouse workers who carry boxes from trucks to shelves, have to show up every morning but only get paid if there’s enough work for them that day.<p>“This is what’s really driving wage inequality,” says David Weil, the former head of the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of Labor and the author of The Fissured Workplace. “By shifting tasks to contractors, companies pay a price for a service rather than wages for work. That means they don’t have to think about training, career advancement or benefit provision.”&quot;<p>1 - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;highline.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;en&#x2F;poor-millennials&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;highline.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;en&#x2F;poor-millenni...</a>
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tabethabout 7 years ago
And why wouldn&#x27;t they? It&#x27;s time to bring back mechanisms, legal or otherwise, to prevent this from happening again. Usually the collective workforce of a company has significant leverage over a company, but with the advent of globalization, the &quot;gig economy&quot;, and technological unemployment in some ways this leverage is harder to capitalize on, or even worse, nonexistent.<p>I don&#x27;t know if there&#x27;s any empirical proof for this, but like competition between companies, I think &quot;competition&quot; or tension between employees and employers for a given organization is also good for capitalism.
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Spooky23about 7 years ago
All of the major unions have been broken, with the public sector unions coming up next re: the Janus case.<p>Even though there was always a limited number of union workers, their collective bargaining set the standard. That’s not really a factor these days.
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expertentippabout 7 years ago
Post-contractual non-compete without any compensation. It’s starting to be a thing even in EU. 5-10 years ago I could sign an employment contract blindfolded, now it’s a freaking minefield where in couple of years I can end up without a job, unemployable, and owning multiple monthly salaries to the employer. We have too many bored lawyers.
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kyledrakeabout 7 years ago
Non-compete clauses are a pretty weird thing and I&#x27;ve seen them in contracts before. Definitely read up on them. I&#x27;ve refused to sign contracts with them before. They&#x27;re totally unenforceable in California and a few other states.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Non-compete_clause" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Non-compete_clause</a>
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jacknewsabout 7 years ago
In addition it seems to me that labor is not a free market, simply because there is no choice to not offer your labor, since you&#x27;d starve. In large parts of the world anyway, and globalization has brought them into the &#x27;free&#x27; market.
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gaiusabout 7 years ago
<i>a flagrant monopsonistic tactic that brought down the wrath of the Justice Department.</i><p>Wrath? It was barely a slap on the wrist or a mild scolding.
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CompelTechnicabout 7 years ago
One thing I wonder- to what extent has the digitization of the job search process contributed to reduced wages? I can imagine several mechanisms that would cause this to reduce wage growth: 1. Widely available data on wages tends to introduce a lagging effect on wage inflation, because workers tend to look at data that is a least a couple of years old (imagine what pool of data is currently being used on glassdoor.com to create the salary estimate of that junior developer job you just looked at) 2. Recruiters have large amounts of data on current wages, and can negotiate from a greater position of power. 3. Recruiters have a larger pool of candidates to draw from and force to compete against eachother.
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emodendroketabout 7 years ago
&gt; For a long time, economists believed that labor-market monopsony rarely existed, at least outside old-fashioned company towns where a single factory employs most of the residents. But in recent decades, several compelling studies have revealed that monopsony is omnipresent. Professionals like doctors and nurses, workers in factories and meat processing plants, and sandwich makers and other low-skill workers earn far less — thousands of dollars less — than they would if employers did not dominate labor markets.<p>This is the most shocking part of the article for me. How could economists for years have denied something so plainly obvious?
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wfoabout 7 years ago
Interesting the authors cite unionization as an effective protection against this in the past but do not recommend it as a remedy for the future. The problem with simply passing laws as they suggest is that those laws once in place will be opposed by everyone with power simultaneously and forever, with no powerful organized collective force to defend them it is just a matter of time until corporate power grinds them into dust.<p>Unions give actual power to workers (and are great at motivating them to vote according to their interests!) instead of just passing laws out of the goodness of our heart to protect them and hoping they last through billions of dollars in corporate bribes.
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matte_blackabout 7 years ago
Like global warming, this may be a problem that we are unable to do anything about except adapt. We need to lean into the gig economy, instead of pulling away.<p>What we need are mechanisms to ensure that there&#x27;s always a constant and steady stream of gigs available for any person to work. Many of these gigs might not be full-time or part-time jobs but rather micro-jobs or micro-tasks, that some entity needs to have completed to fulfill some larger mission, which is irrelevant to the gig worker.<p>The requirements for completing a task could range from simply &quot;Being a human&quot; to &quot;Specialized skills in a specific domain&quot;. Profiles for workers could contain all sorts of information that could help them find relevant work quickly and easily, consisting of things like education and trade skills to even body metrics and IQ if necessary. And of course workers can be rated based on previous work history to help them better find future jobs without needing to keep a resume.<p>A worker should not need to get anything more out of their job than payment for services rendered. Healthcare should be handled by the government, and vacation time is handled by whenever the worker doesn&#x27;t feel like working.
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hiram112about 7 years ago
Corporate America has trained the plebs well.<p>Every time a discussion on unions or any sort of organization to &quot;push back&quot; against the big companies in just our own industry is met with a good 50% of HN readers dismissing the idea outright.<p>And even talking about cutting off the supply of H1Bs - or at least the body shops that probably aren&#x27;t as prolific at the top companies which are overrepresented here - is flagged and downvoted in minutes.<p>It doesn&#x27;t surprise me, given the age of the average HN reader. Once you have a family, house, and have experienced age discrimination at 40, you&#x27;ll have different views, I&#x27;m guessing. Maybe even sooner for many here if the blatant discrimination of white and asian males gets more traction.<p>I guess the thing that is so disappointing to me about this industry is that we&#x27;re supposed to be smarter than the rest. But we have completely ignored the history of this country and the battles that our predecessors fought.
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turc1656about 7 years ago
No-poaching agreements are very clearly illegal and <i>should</i> have resulted in immediate charges being levied against a metric shit-ton of people as the only way that works with all these franchises is if many people are involved. The DOJ has formally acknowledged these practices are illegal and a serious violation of existing laws: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;atr&#x2F;file&#x2F;903511&#x2F;download" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;atr&#x2F;file&#x2F;903511&#x2F;download</a> Well...it&#x27;s been nearly 18 months since that announcement. Why haven&#x27;t I seen a whole bunch of people get charged with felony antitrust violations, as per the DOJ&#x27;s own statements about its intent to &quot;proceed criminally against naked wage-fixing or no-poaching agreements&quot;?<p>Where are the handcuffs?
shady-ladyabout 7 years ago
Suppressing wages &amp; over-working employees.<p>For salaried jobs in all companies, the only requirement for unpaid overtime should be responding to emergencies. So for engineering, this would mean <i>always</i> 40hr week unless dealing with out of hours production downtime.<p>There is way too much abuse happening(frequently implicitly).
JustSomeNobodyabout 7 years ago
How utterly pathetic that a company like Jimmy Johns, whose employees probably make single digit per hour salaries, would do this[0]! This is just one more way the rich crap on the poor.<p>[0] I realize the article said they stopped, but I still can&#x27;t help but be very upset about it.
nukeopabout 7 years ago
There was similar wage suppression (or should I say, wage theft scheme) in Silicon Valley until very recently. That&#x27;s why the wages skyrocketed. If the scheme could be broken up in one industry, it can happen again in others.
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charmander_IRLabout 7 years ago
Why are low skill non-competes bad? You can just lateral into another low skill job in an unrelated industry. It’s not as if you have a huge amount of human capital sunk into sandwich prep.
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kauffjabout 7 years ago
The claim that sandwich-making is monopsonic seems dubious.<p>Statista has the largest employer at 12.7% market share and &quot;Other&quot; at 55%: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;307965&#x2F;market-share-of-fast-food-restaurant-corporations-in-the-us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;307965&#x2F;market-share-of-f...</a><p>Research Gate has similar figures, though I believe this one is international: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;Market-Share-of-major-players-in-the-fast-food-industry_fig1_260796941" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;Market-Share-of-major-pl...</a>
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