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New Giant Viruses Further Blur the Definition of Life

150 pointsby IntronExonabout 7 years ago

13 comments

mgeorgouloabout 7 years ago
I bet every biology student has struggled with the introductory &quot;what is life&quot; chapter, full of conflicting definitions.<p>It is so difficult to define life because there is nothing to be defined. There are complex stuff and simple stuff. We tend to call things that exhibit a certain degree of complexity &quot;alive&quot;, but that&#x27;s just a word.<p>Can&#x27;t remember who wrote the perfect definition of Biology: &quot;The study of complex things&quot;. There&#x27;s a great deal of wisdom in that.
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antiviralabout 7 years ago
What if we could use the notion of entropy in a definition of life?<p>Living things use energy to prevent entropy (decay?) while they are alive.<p>On the other hand, natural, non-living processes do no such thing, and increase entropy as governed by the law of thermodynamics.<p>We could also use criteria such as growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. However, crystalline structures also grow and chemical processes may produce more of a certain molecule. All of those seek some energy minimizing equilibrium without any mitigating mechanisms.
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sebazzzabout 7 years ago
I never understand why viruses are not life. Bacteria are life because they are essentially a single-cell organism and act like any cell in our body: they consume energy and produce waste. Viruses may not be a cell, but they can be damaged, they die, and they appear to be more than a simple chemical process.
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skissaneabout 7 years ago
Trying to define &quot;life&quot; is one of the central questions of the philosophy of biology. And the positions one takes in the philosophy of biology are inevitably going to be influenced by one&#x27;s metaphysical positions regarding the problem of universals. A nominalist, a Aristotelian realist, a Platonist (etc.), are all going to approach the question &quot;what is life?&quot; differently.<p>Sometimes when people discuss this topic, they assume a certain approach to metaphysics without making that assumption explicit (indeed, they may not be aware that there are genuine alternatives to their personal metaphysical positions.)
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nyc111about 7 years ago
I consider legal entities such as corporations to be living organisms. So I don&#x27;t agree that life is limited to organisms with a visible (biological) body.
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meri_dianabout 7 years ago
Here&#x27;s a controversial view, but any good comments section needs a few of them:<p>Viruses are no more &quot;life&quot; than bacteria are &quot;life&quot; or amoeba are &quot;life&quot; or ants are &quot;life&quot; or mice are &quot;life&quot; or humans are &quot;life&quot;... We&#x27;re all just chemical machines, nothing more nothing less.<p>Giving the word &#x27;life&#x27; some special significance is misleading and confusing. In order to not confuse ourselves we should be talking about functions and descriptions of those functions as implemented among chemical machines.<p>Do viruses reproduce? Yes, by hijacking cellular machinery. Do bacteria reproduce? Yes, by cloning themselves. ...<p>This sort of thinking about the world allows us to stay close to reality without abstract and ultimately meaningless distractions like &#x27;life&#x27;. Heaving the burden of abstraction onto &#x27;reproduce&#x27; is still dangerous, but much less so than allowing &#x27;life&#x27; to lurk as an abstract category in our minds.
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XorNotabout 7 years ago
1 micron is amazingly large. 300nm is about the threshold to resolve a particle under light microscopy, so these things would just be there - you could use a pipette and push them around.
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tensor_rank_0about 7 years ago
anyone hear the theory that cytomegalovirus is a fragment of a gigantic prehistoric virus? a nurse friend heard about the theory in his medical microbiology class but I haven&#x27;t been able to find much online.
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noviaabout 7 years ago
relevant radiolab episode here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.radiolab.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;shrink&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.radiolab.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;shrink&#x2F;</a>
ozyabout 7 years ago
My personal definition of life: self-replication with unlimited heredity.<p>self-replication: something can make a copy of itself.<p>unlimited heredity: when &quot;information&quot; is added, it is copied along, even if it does not contribute directly to the replication process itself.<p>Implied in the definition is variation. And in the bigger view, that all replicators are under pressure to do so well, or be outcompeted on resource usage etc., and disappear.<p>While a virus depends on a rich and active environment to work, they clearly fall into that definition.
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kleer001about 7 years ago
Nature is not constrained by human imagination.
Isamuabout 7 years ago
Wasn&#x27;t it always taught that an active metabolism separates living from nonliving?<p>This brings up other questions though about how complex a virus can be. And if they can be arbitrarily complex, will we rethink our definitions?
jimmahoneyabout 7 years ago
&quot;Life. Don&#x27;t talk to me about life.&quot; - Marvin.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hitchhikers.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Marvin" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hitchhikers.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Marvin</a>