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iOS, the Future of MacOS, Freedom, Security and Privacy

117 pointsby agreenabout 7 years ago

12 comments

LeoPantheraabout 7 years ago
When the iPhone was new, Apple wasn&#x27;t fighting surveillance society. They were mainly fighting carriers forcing you to buy shitty locked-down phones preloaded with as many monetization tools as they can fit in them.<p>So a lot of the basic security of iPhone OS, as it was originally called, was supposed to stop your carrier from fucking it up.<p>That legacy continues today, even though Apple is pivoting to a &quot;privacy is the product&quot; model. I suspect a lot of these criticisms are a byproduct of that legacy, and not necessarily a sign of trouble in the future.<p>I still trust Apple - but Apple will have to continue to work hard to maintain that trust.
drodgersabout 7 years ago
&gt; Especially since iOS10, and the “differential privacy” (dprivacyd) concept, which Apple pushed, and which this author feels essentially boils down to “let’s collect even more data without giving a real reason and spin it as a privacy improvement because we remove certain metadata, after all none of our users understand or care anyway”<p>This is too misleading and dismissive. Differential privacy collection requires that the device will send back data which doesn&#x27;t contain enough information to tell anything significant about the individual, but does allow for population-level statistics to be computed from many samples (eg. the old private-survey trick of flip a coin and answer truthfully if it&#x27;s heads or randomly if it&#x27;s tails). If they&#x27;re collecting more data with this system, then it&#x27;s supposed to mean that they don&#x27;t know more about <i>you</i>.<p>Almost all tech companies collect extensive usage data; Apple seems to have made a genuine and rare attempt to improve the privacy of their users (admittedly without damaging their ability to make informed product decisions). Given the popularity of AI tech and the huge amounts of data it requires, systems like this are probably the only plausible way to improve user privacy without getting left-behind in the AI and product-development race.
GlenTheMachineabout 7 years ago
“On iOS, there is no full-disk or full-volume encryption, only varying levels of file-based encryption...”<p>I don&#x27;t understand this claim. iOS had full disk encryption starting with iOS 3.0, in 2010. Or at least Apple (and other security experts) says it does:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;darthnull.org&#x2F;security&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;ios-encryption&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;darthnull.org&#x2F;security&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;ios-encryption&#x2F;</a><p>Am I missing something here?
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userbinatorabout 7 years ago
<i>This post by a security researcher who prefers to remain anonymous</i><p><i>If iOS is to really be considered a secure OS, and if vanilla macOS is to become more secure, independent end-user control must be considered. Increased low-level design security at the cost of control, and the ability to prevent leaking data, cannot be considered a real improvement in security.</i><p>Whoever you are, <i>thank you greatly</i> for not being another one of those authoritarian cargo-cult &quot;users are stupid so we should remove all control from them&quot; people which the greater security community seems to be full of.
stuartdabout 7 years ago
How old is this?<p><i>the state and details of disk encryption on both OSes is slightly unclear, but hopefully will become clearer when iOS 10.3 is released.</i><p>10.3 was released 9 months ago. And I find it hard to take seriously any article where every other sentence is bolded.
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karimdagabout 7 years ago
I am no <i>connaisseur</i>, just a guy who cares about privacy (in general and his in particular) who also happens to own an iPhone and wants to buy a Mac.<p>This seems pretty troubling, as I as well as many I suppose, trust Apple and think that they&#x27;re one of the good guys. I know it&#x27;s cliché but I think this is the part where &quot;[..] live long enough to see yourself become the villain.&quot; applies.<p>The more important question, imho, then is: what can we do about it ? If nothing, what should be done ?
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tedunangstabout 7 years ago
&gt; Apple Activation servers are accessed via Akamai, which means sensitive data may be cached by Akamai and its’ peering partners&#x27; which includes many global ISPs and IXPs<p>Wouldn&#x27;t this be devastating to about 10000 other businesses as well?
saagarjhaabout 7 years ago
Wow, this was a long article, so let me try to unpack it:<p>&gt; iOS devices (even non-cellular devices) on first boot and, occasionally for unclear reasons after OS upgrades, will require “Activation” and an internet connection to contact an array of Apple servers.<p>The linked patent says that this is for carrier locking. It&#x27;s possible that the code is used even on non-cellular devices because they just found it more convenient to not remove it? There might be more to this; maybe it allows for something like Activation Lock to work or allow Apple to track stolen inventory.<p>&gt; Apple links the credit card used at purchase, the purchaser&#x27;s name and email, and of course, the serial number and all components required to generate a UUID<p>Of course they do; these are all components of an Apple ID, so it would be impossible for them to keep them apart.<p>&gt; This means, for example, that if you were to use a certain app for a social network under a pseudonym on an iOS device (not that I would recommend installing any social networking site’s apps on your device) and that service sends information via APNS, Apple (and possibly the social networking service) can most likely link the pseudonym account to your real identity.<p>I&#x27;m not very familiar with APNS, but doesn&#x27;t it work something like &quot;social media server sends Apple message, and Apple forwards it to the right device&quot;? How would device-specific information get to third parties?<p>&gt; if you enter contacts into the address book, contacts’ details are hashed and automatically sent to Apple, supposedly to check for presence in Apple’s iMessage database to determine whether to show iMessage as an option on that contact’s page<p>I agree that this is a stupid decision. This is a reasonably large loss of privacy for a very small benefit.<p>&gt; ust try to remove your Mac’s WiFi card and rebooting - all Mac App Store apps will likely fail to open<p>Wait, what? I&#x27;ve been able to open Mac App Store apps without a network connection. You <i>can</i> try to validate with the App Store over the network, but that&#x27;s an <i>option</i>, not a requirement: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;library&#x2F;content&#x2F;releasenotes&#x2F;General&#x2F;ValidateAppStoreReceipt&#x2F;Introduction.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;library&#x2F;content&#x2F;releasenotes&#x2F;Gen...</a><p>&gt; Apple really wanted the DRM aspect<p>I&#x27;m not even sure what the purpose behind Apple&#x27;s &quot;DRM&quot; is. It&#x27;s trivially bypassed on jailbroken devices, and I think on macOS as well.<p>&gt; On macOS you can separately download an update&#x2F;upgrade DMG, which will be signed by Apple, and then simply install it without a network connection.<p>On macOS you can also downgrade your OS to whatever you like. iOS requires a firmware to be signed before it will install, which obviously means that it will have to reach out to Apple somehow.<p>&gt; if a user feels like removing&#x2F;modifying certain Apple system binaries they are uncomfortable with<p>What if a user removes AMFI or the Sandbox?<p>&gt; The fact that there is no way of monitoring or intercepting file system events, network connections and other system calls on said device and that you are giving apps many, many more privileges than you realise<p>It takes work, but this is possible. What you need to do is sign every app you download with your own entitlements that allow for debugging.<p>Despite the author&#x27;s hesitations, I&#x27;m still pretty convinced that macOS&#x2F;iOS are probably some of the most secure operating systems you can buy today; the amount of time Apple has put into this clearly shows. Plus, it&#x27;s obvious to see that Apple&#x27;s incentives don&#x27;t really align along data collection, even when taking a cynical viewpoint. Not collecting user information allows them to resist government requests for data and increases public goodwill; unlike other companies they have a clear source of revenue that&#x27;s not tied to data collection, and it&#x27;s highly unlikely that they&#x27;d burn that money to go after data collection for AI or whatever given that&#x27;s not an area they have a whole lot of experience in.<p>That being said, there are many good points brought up in the article, namely the centralized control that Apple has over devices. We&#x27;ve already seen occasions where this has caused Apple to acquiesce to third-party requests: for example, the removal of network extension apps from China&#x27;s App Store. Apple is playing a delicate balancing game of trying to maintain some control over the hardware they vend while trying to keep it secure, and this is a difficult thing to do, especially when they need to cater to the needs of users for whom features are important and privacy is invisible.
trisimixabout 7 years ago
Having to choose between sanely developing and cuatomizing your phone, and privacy on your phone, sshouldnt be the case.
dcowabout 7 years ago
Does anyone have a pastebin copy or something? I don&#x27;t log into gh on my phone and gists are behind a reg-wall now...
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feelin_googleyabout 7 years ago
Its encouraging to be reminded that still not everyone who uses Apple hardware runs MacOS exclusively.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sivers.org&#x2F;openbsd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sivers.org&#x2F;openbsd</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sacrideo.us&#x2F;openbsd-on-macbook&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sacrideo.us&#x2F;openbsd-on-macbook&#x2F;</a><p>However I have not heard any reports of anyone running an alternative OS on iPhone or iPad hardware.<p>With every passing year I continue to think it would be interesting to observe how users would choose if Apple hardware and Apple software were sold separately.<p>Would all users choose Apple software?
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feelin_googleyabout 7 years ago
Its encouraging to be reminded that still not everyone who uses Apple hardware runs MacOS exclusively.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sivers.org&#x2F;openbsd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sivers.org&#x2F;openbsd</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sacrideo.us&#x2F;openbsd-on-macbook&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sacrideo.us&#x2F;openbsd-on-macbook&#x2F;</a><p>However I have not heard any reports of anyone running an alternative OS on iPhone or iPad hardware.<p>With every passing year I continue to think it would be interesting to observe how users would choose if Apple hardware and Apple software were sold separately.<p>Would all users choose Apple software?<p>Expecting to take a little karma subtraction from the thought police for daring to entertain such a nonpermissible idea. Par for the course here and well worth it.
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