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Quantum mechanics used for better random numbers

39 pointsby quazarabout 7 years ago

8 comments

nabla9about 7 years ago
Another example of physicists selling their basic research by linking it to cryptography in a way that makes no sense. Generating quantum random numbers is not solving any real cryptographic problems. It&#x27;s just marketing ploy or ignorance.<p>DJB: Is the security of quantum cryptography guaranteed by the laws of physics? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sidechannels.cr.yp.to&#x2F;qkd&#x2F;holographic-20180312.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sidechannels.cr.yp.to&#x2F;qkd&#x2F;holographic-20180312.pdf</a><p>DJB: Security fraud in Europe&#x27;s &quot;Quantum Manifesto&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.cr.yp.to&#x2F;20160516-quantum.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.cr.yp.to&#x2F;20160516-quantum.html</a><p>Schneier: Quantum Cryptography: As Awesome As It Is Pointless <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.schneier.com&#x2F;essays&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2008&#x2F;10&#x2F;quantum%5Fcryptography.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.schneier.com&#x2F;essays&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2008&#x2F;10&#x2F;quantum%5Fc...</a>
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cornholioabout 7 years ago
Good hardware generators are based on Johnson–Nyquist resistor noise, that is just as unpredictable, and generated by thermal circulation of charge carriers in conductors.<p>In real life, RNG attacks are against the implementation not the noise source, even something as &quot;predictable&quot; as &quot;atmospheric noise&quot; is random enough for all practical applications.
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blauditoreabout 7 years ago
Is it really that relevant whether randomness is true* thanks to quantum effects rather than obfuscated-enough pseudo-random based on really hard to predict entropy sources; or is this more a PR stunt? I mean, is it realistic that someone would ever manage to predict e.g. electronic signal noise in a useful enough manner?<p>* To nit-pick, the question whether quantum mechanics are truly random boils down to Bell&#x27;s theorem, which has been experimentally supported, but still leaves some loopholes open: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experim...</a>
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mbayeabout 7 years ago
People paranoid about randomness have been duct-taping ionizing radiation sources from smoke detectors to webcams for decades now. This is non-news.
seanwilsonabout 7 years ago
When you&#x27;re generating random numbers from a physical source, how do you detect when there&#x27;s some failure in the hardware or sensors that&#x27;s reducing the randomness? Can you use redundancy so the probability of this is vanishingly low?
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MikkoFinellabout 7 years ago
Anyone know a cheap DIY way to generate quantum-random numbers at home? For example, get a Geiger counter and wire it up to code that counts the milliseconds between clicks... something like that?
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akvadrakoabout 7 years ago
To all the people saying high quality random numbers are not important for crypto, there have been a number of important failures over the years due to semi-predictable keys. And there is no way to generate randomness in software, while quantum sources can be provably random.<p>It just makes the crypto system easier to reason about.
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mrcactu5about 7 years ago
how do we decide or quantify that certain random numbers are good or bad?<p>if I flip a coin? maybe that&#x27;s inadequate, but can we measure how much it is failing to be random?