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Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image

43 pointsby kushtiabout 7 years ago

11 comments

mpweiherabout 7 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.svt.se&#x2F;nyheter&#x2F;inrikes&#x2F;polisen-43-personer-skots-till-dods-2017" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.svt.se&#x2F;nyheter&#x2F;inrikes&#x2F;polisen-43-personer-skots...</a><p>43 people were shot in Sweden in 2017, in a country of almost 10 million.<p>That&#x27;s 0.43 &#x2F; 100K.<p>The US gun homicide rate in 2016 was 4.62 &#x2F; 100K.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...</a><p>Chicago had 650 homicides in 2017, down from 762 in 2016, with a population of 2.7 million.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blacknews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;chicago-sees-drop-in-violence-after-all-time-high-last-year-but-is-still-a-very-deadly-city&#x2F;amp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.blacknews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;chicago-sees-drop-in-violence-...</a><p>Just to put things into perspective.
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iqueabout 7 years ago
Hahaha really HN? As a Swede this is so ridiculous, I don&#x27;t think the author has any idea what they&#x27;re talking about and have done no fact-checking at all. They even contradict themselves.<p>&gt; drop in homicides has been, however, far smaller in Sweden than in neighboring countries<p>So there&#x27;s been a drop in homicides<p>&gt; Shootings in the country have become so common<p>But shootings have _become_ so common? So they&#x27;re just missing more or what?<p>What a ridiculous article, I guess HN is the new Fox news.
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jeffreyrogersabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;m hesitant to comment on this because I expect to have my viewpoints be misrepresented as racist, but it seems difficult to integrate immigrants into society who fundamentally oppose core principles of progressive, western democracies.
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Zolomonabout 7 years ago
This does not reflect at all with my own experience living in both south of Sweden and in Stockholm. Feels like misinformation in order to spread FUD about Sweden.
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uoaeiabout 7 years ago
I was born in the US, moved to Sweden last year. I live in an area of the country that seems to have been designated as a place to put migrants, and it shows.<p>People have different cultural expectations, and act accordingly. It&#x27;s no surprise that meshing the two viewpoints is difficult. But the biggest disservice, IMO, is segregating them into their own communities. Here there is no incentive to integrate, and life continues as before--in some ways opposed to the ideals that Sweden tries to set forth.<p>You are what you surround yourself with. Sweden is far from multicultural, and prefers (well, kind of railroaded itself into) playing the &quot;live and let live&quot; card a little too ideologically without considering the long-term impacts. The one that is the most apparent to me is the way housing is handled, and how it affects not only migrants but any immigrant coming here for any purpose.
alkonautabout 7 years ago
The title is a bit misleading: Shootings are up but violent crime is down. Basically, an influx of guns it would seem. We used to have barely any in circulation, but obviously they will be smuggled to where they collect the highest price (most illegal weapons are Balkan war arms as I understand it).
angel_jabout 7 years ago
Good for them! They are handling their problems without going crazy reactionary, and declaring war on immigrants, the poor, drugs, etc.<p>That would be in line with their &quot;Swedish Model&quot;. The article reads like a &quot;tattle tale&quot;, as if they are trying to hide explosions! A grenade in an US police station would shake the wasp&#x27;s nest all the way to the national guard.<p>It&#x27;s precisely that &quot;Western Democracies&quot; crony ideology that demands the media and government react with pitch forks and blame.
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psychometryabout 7 years ago
Is Sweden&#x27;s supposed failure to integrate migrants into society really a failure in a historical context? I would guess that it would take at least a generation to see the fruits of initiatives to encourage integration. Migrants are fleeing a dysfunctional and oppressive ISIS regime, but even these oppressed people harbor views that many Westerners consider regressive and authoritarian. How do you even approach this problem?
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aphextronabout 7 years ago
The Nordic states have been some of the biggest winners in the world from globalization over the past 30 years. They&#x27;ve been safely protected by NATO, and free to sell their oil to anyone in the world. Now the world comes knocking and you want to cry foul? Either accept the rough and tumble, multicultural, imperfect world that we live in with open arms as we have in the US, or wall yourself off and don&#x27;t expect any of the benefits.
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Simulacraabout 7 years ago
This seems awfully skewed. Not sure it belongs here
Micolothabout 7 years ago
TRUMP WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG<p>..or was he?<p>No seriously tho, at this point I legit can&#x27;t understand anymore if this is fake news or not. Crime rate is not supposed to be subjective is it?<p>Good job us!
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