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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

253 pointsby phrygianabout 7 years ago

16 comments

panarkyabout 7 years ago
<i>The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit &quot;decline.&quot; Instead, they will guide users to either &quot;accept and continue&quot; or &quot;manage data setting.&quot;</i><p>Also known as &quot;Hobson&#x27;s Choice&quot;: a free choice in which only one thing is offered.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hobson%27s_choice" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hobson%27s_choice</a><p>Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults.<p>But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook see 6% or 4% or 2% attrition because of this?<p>2% attrition of 2.2 billion users is like the entire population of California and Oregon.<p>This many people leaving the network makes it a little less connected and a little less valuable for the 98% who remain.<p>That&#x27;s a lot of people wandering about, discovering new alternatives to connect with their friends and family.<p>Facebook will be with us for a long time, but reducing their influence would be a big net positive.
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lolcabout 7 years ago
I think a lot of lawyers are poring over provision 42 of GDPR these days:<p>&quot;(42) Where processing is based on the data subject&#x27;s consent, the controller should be able to demonstrate that the data subject has given consent to the processing operation. [...] For consent to be informed, the data subject should be aware at least of the identity of the controller and the purposes of the processing for which the personal data are intended. Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.&quot;<p>Are people free to leave Facebook?<p>Me, I need an account with Google for my job. Will they now only be allowed to demand I consent to the parts of the data processing necessary to provide the services I use? Or in other words, since I don&#x27;t rely on their advertising, does GDPR mandate that opt-in to tracking for ads must be optional?
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epiappabout 7 years ago
My adblocker detects approximately 44 trackers on that page, including one from connect.facebook.net.
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_o_about 7 years ago
This action directly violates GDPR, the consent is not freely given and as such not valid. Trackwall is not acceptible, that&#x27;s why &quot;freely given&quot; is written in Article 7.4.<p>Bottom line, even if you give them consent in such forced manner, they will pay the fine if they use the data. Not only that, I bet that in this moment there is a lawyer preparing class action against FB for forcing the consent (And they will win! After 25th of May, FB is breaking the EU law). Max Schrems gave FB hard time before and I bet he is just waiting for new chance, this is his site <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;noyb.eu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;noyb.eu&#x2F;</a> , check it and check how many donations he got. I am stockpiling myself with popcorns as this is going to be fun to watch. I really thought that FB is going to be smarter, probably Zuck got another of his tantrums and did another really stupid business mistake, that will cost him a lot.<p>But, as FB user, please consider something else: Facebook is trying to downplay your rights, which directly proves that don&#x27;t care about you. Do you really want to continue using such service? Do you really value yourself so low that you are prepared to bend over?
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johnny313about 7 years ago
This does not discuss whether nonusers will be asked to opt-in. Curious how GDPR will change tracking people w&#x2F;out FB accounts.
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inetseeabout 7 years ago
I just added the &quot;Facebook Container&quot; extension to my Firefox browser. I am hoping it will prevent most of Facebook&#x27;s tracking, but I do know that it probably won&#x27;t block all the tracking.
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fuscyabout 7 years ago
Considering that Facebook makes its revenue from ads and that providing relevant ads needs data and tracking, this move is not so bad.<p>Users that don’t accept the terms or use various tech to block this, would receive misappropriated ads. Bad ads make companies lose revenue while annoying the users with extremely irrelevant info.<p>This method should be extremely effective in removing false positives.<p>Personal observation: ads are never going to go away and I personally prefer receiving ads about some local beer brand and not about lipstick or sake in Japan.
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dingalingabout 7 years ago
Nicely juxtapositioned with the Independent&#x27;s ad for their Facebook Bitcoin group. Facebook groups really are the antithesis of the Internet, being closed and unindexable.<p>Anyway perhaps these no-decline &#x27;permission&#x27; screens will cause a few people to reconsider their presence on Facebook. After all the company&#x27;s Chief Privacy Officer endorses it! “People can choose to not be on Facebook if they want&quot;
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femtoabout 7 years ago
Australians may wish to refer it to the ACCC if Facebook offers them a &quot;take it or leave&quot; choice. Even if the laws regarding unfair consumer contracts turn out not to apply, it would be interesting to get the ACCC&#x27;s formal response on it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.accc.gov.au&#x2F;consumers&#x2F;contracts-agreements&#x2F;unfair-contract-terms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.accc.gov.au&#x2F;consumers&#x2F;contracts-agreements&#x2F;unfai...</a>
harry8about 7 years ago
They track me. I don&#x27;t accept it. I have no facebook account. They are crooks.
everyoneabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;m a member of a facebook group for Irish game developers. Very good group, pretty much the only reason I use fb. Though I am logged on all day as I dont want to miss anything on it.<p>I tabled the idea of the group leaving fb for somewhere else, as now would be the time people would be receptive to that idea.<p>The consensus was, nah, dont bother, this is fine... welp.
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d6de964about 7 years ago
Google already does this anytime I clear my cookies. Why would they allow someone using the service if they didn&#x27;t get something back?
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FullMtlAlcoholcabout 7 years ago
Facebook was already on a decline as it was becoming the social media platform for senior citizens.<p>I do wonder how this will affect Instagram, which is where most of my peers and friends are.
merrywhetherabout 7 years ago
Does the GDPR allow sites to have a “pay real money or subsidize your experience through tracking” option?
paulie_aabout 7 years ago
Where is the &quot;go fuck yourself mark zuckerberg&quot; option
modzuabout 7 years ago
so whos tried mastodon?