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Widescreen laptops are dumb

125 pointsby SoapSellerabout 7 years ago

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DonHopkinsabout 7 years ago
&quot;As if all that wasn’t enough, there’s also the matter of tabs. Tabs are a couple of decades old now, and, like much of the rest of the desktop and web environment, they were initially thought up in an age where the predominant computer displays were close to square with a 4:3 aspect ratio.&quot;<p>Tabs are at least three decades old now, and they weren&#x27;t originally restricted to just one edge of the window:<p>&gt;Tab (GUI):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tab_(GUI)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tab_(GUI)</a><p>&gt;The WordVision DOS word processor for the IBM PC in 1982 was perhaps the first commercially available product with a tabbed interface. PC Magazine in 1994 wrote that it &quot;has served as a free R&amp;D department for the software business—its bones picked over for a decade by programmers looking for so-called new ideas&quot;. The NeWS version of UniPress&#x27;s Gosling Emacs text editor was another early product, with multiple tabbed windows in 1988. It was used to develop an authoring tool for the Ben Shneiderman&#x27;s HyperTIES browser (the NeWS workstation version of The Interactive Encyclopedia System), in 1988. HyperTIES also supported pie menus for managing windows and browsing hypermedia documents with PostScript applets. Don Hopkins developed and released several versions of tabbed window frames for the NeWS window system as free software, which the window manager applied to all NeWS applications, and enabled users to drag the tabs around to any edge of the window.<p>Notice the layout of the overlapping Emacs windows with tabs sticking out of their right edge: since text is much wider than it is tall, you can stack up a lot more tabbed windows with tabs on their left or right side, and still read their labels.<p>&gt;HCIL Demo - HyperTIES Authoring with UniPress Emacs on NeWS:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hhmU2B79EDU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hhmU2B79EDU</a><p>&gt;Demo of UniPress Emacs based HyperTIES authoring tool, by Don Hopkins, at the University of Maryland Human Computer Interaction Lab.<p>Notice how you can drag the tabs of these NeWS windows to any edge or proportion of the height or width, and use the tab as a proxy for the window by popping up a window management pie menu on it, even if the rest of the window is covered:<p>&gt;NeWS Tab Window Demo:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=tMcmQk-q0k4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=tMcmQk-q0k4</a><p>&gt;Demo of the Pie Menu Tab Window Manager for The NeWS Toolkit 2.0. Developed and demonstrated by Don Hopkins.<p>Notice how the tabbed windows can be stuck on the visual PostScript stack like a short order chef&#x27;s &quot;spike&quot;. The tabs enable &quot;direct stack manipulation&quot;: and they are constrained (by &quot;snap dragging&quot;) to slide up and down on the stack (rearranging the order of the items on the PostScript stack), and can be pulled far enough away that they &quot;pop&quot; off the stack, or dragged back onto the stack so they snap into place, and you can directly drop them into any depth of the stack.<p>&gt;PSIBER Space Deck Demo:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iuC_DDgQmsM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iuC_DDgQmsM</a><p>&gt;Demo of the NeWS PSIBER Space Deck. Research performed under the direction of Mark Weiser and Ben Shneiderman. Developed and documented thanks to the support of John Gilmore and Julia Menapace. Developed and demonstrated by Don Hopkins. Described in &quot;The Shape of PSIBER Space: PostScript Interactive Bug Eradication Routines&quot;.<p>&gt;The Shape of PSIBER Space - October 1989. PostScript Interactive Bug Eradication Routines.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donhopkins.com&#x2F;drupal&#x2F;node&#x2F;97" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donhopkins.com&#x2F;drupal&#x2F;node&#x2F;97</a><p>&gt;There is a text window onto a NeWS process, a PostScript interpreter with which you can interact (as with an &quot;executive&quot;). PostScript is a stack based language, so the window has a spike sticking up out of it, representing the process&#x27;s operand stack. Objects on the process&#x27;s stack are displayed in windows with their tabs pinned on the spike. (See figure 1) You can feed PostScript expressions to the interpreter by typing them with the keyboard, or pointing and clicking at them with the mouse, and the stack display will be dynamically updated to show the results.<p>&gt;Objects on the PSIBER Space Deck appear in overlapping windows, with labeled tabs sticking out of them. Each object has a label, denoting its type and value, i.e. &quot;integer 42&quot;. Each window tab shows the type of the object directly contained in the window. Objects nested within other objects have their type displayed to the left of their value. The labels of executable objects are displayed in italics. [...]<p>&gt;Tab Windows<p>&gt;The objects on the deck are displayed in windows with labeled tabs sticking out of them, showing the data type of the object. You can move an object around by grabbing its tab with the mouse and dragging it. You can perform direct stack manipulation, pushing it onto stack by dragging its tab onto the spike, and changing its place on the stack by dragging it up and down the spike. It implements a mutant form of &quot;Snap-dragging&quot;, that constrains non-vertical movement when an object is snapped onto the stack, but allows you to pop it off by pulling it far enough away or lifting it off the top. [Bier, Snap-dragging] The menu that pops up over the tab lets you do things to the whole window, like changing view characteristics, moving the tab around, repainting or recomputing the layout, and printing the view.<p>&gt;Designing to Facilitate Browsing: A Look Back at the Hyperties Workstation Browser. By Ben Shneiderman, Catherine Plaisant, Rodrigo Botafogo, Don Hopkins, William Weiland.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donhopkins.com&#x2F;drupal&#x2F;node&#x2F;102" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donhopkins.com&#x2F;drupal&#x2F;node&#x2F;102</a><p>&gt;Since storyboards are text files, they can be created and edited in any text editor as well as be manipulated by UNIX facilities (spelling checkers, sort, grep, etc...). On our SUN version Unipress Emacs provides a multiple windows, menus and programming environment to author a database. Graphics tools are launched from Emacs to create or edit the graphic components and target tools are available to mark the shape of each selectable graphic element. The authoring tool checks the links and verifies the syntax of the article markup. It also allows the author to preview the database by easily following links from Emacs buffer to buffer. Author and browser can also be run concurrently for final editing. [...]<p>&gt;The more recent NeWS version of Hyperties on the SUN workstation uses two large windows that partition the screen vertically. Each window can have links and users can decide whether to put the destination article on top of the current window or on the other window. The pie menus made it rapid and easy to permit such a selection. When users click on a selectable target a pie menu appears (Figure 1) and allows users to specify in which window the destination article should be displayed (practically users merely click then move the mouse in direction of the desire window) . This strategy is easy to explain to visitors and satisfying to use. An early pilot test with four subjects was run, but the appeal of this strategy is very strong and we have not conducted more rigorous usability tests.<p>&gt;In the author tool, we employ a more elaborate window strategy to manage the 15-25 articles that an author may want to keep close at hand. We assume that authors on the SUN&#x2F;Hyperties will be quite knowledgeable in UNIX and Emacs and therefore would be eager to have a richer set of window management features, even if the perceptual, cognitive, and motor load were greater. Tab windows have their title bars extending to the right of the window, instead of at the top. When even 15 or 20 windows are open, the tabs may still all be visible for reference or selection, even thought the contents of the windows are obscured. This is a convenient strategy for many authoring tasks, and it may be effective in other applications as well.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;en&#x2F;2&#x2F;29&#x2F;HyperTIESAuthoring.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;en&#x2F;2&#x2F;29&#x2F;HyperTIESAuth...</a><p>Unfortunately most of today&#x27;s &quot;cargo cult&quot; imitative user interface designs have all &quot;standardized&quot; on the idea that the menu bars all belong at the top of the screen and nowhere else, menus items should layout vertically downward and no other directions, tabs should be rigidly attacked to the top edge and no other edge, and the user can&#x27;t move them around. But there&#x27;s no reason it has to be that way.
strmpnkabout 7 years ago
The big problem I have started seeing is web design assuming you always browse using a maximized window. Combine this with a prevalent market of wide screens and most sites won’t look right without at least 1200px. So once you put anything like a toolbar or inspector on this side, you have a problem.<p>Designers of many sites I have to use daily seem to assume I’d never want to see two windows at once, let alone rearrange my UI or use non-widescreen devices. The responsive sites can be even worse too since they’ll snap into a mobile layout at anything less than 1000px wide or so and then increase all of the margins and icon sizes for touch accuracy purposes. It looks extremely silly and wastes even more space than these layers of toolbars hanging around the edge of a browser.
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lamenameabout 7 years ago
Screens are visual, and human vision is biased to search lateral space over vertical space.<p>This is due to the nature of humans&#x27; visuospatial limitations. We&#x27;re largely 2d animals in our movement: front&#x2F;back &amp; left&#x2F;right, not so much up down. This is different from animals like birds and fish who constantly have to navigate all 3 dimensions to catch prey and avoid death.<p>We aren&#x27;t ignorant of vertical space, but horizontal space is much more well attended to by the human brain, spatially and visually. (Video game designers encounter this problem in getting players to look up.)<p>Vertical screens for the masses started with mobile, because constraints of the hand matter more than the biases of vision in that case.<p>Of course as desktop screens become giant, lateral vs vertical space becomes a less important distinction, but understanding why &quot;widescreen&quot; came about over &quot;square&quot; is important. Of course, this all varies by task, but I imagine this is a big reason why 16:9 came about.
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JorgeGTabout 7 years ago
Well, I really like being able to put a code editor on the left and then a browser, terminal, document, LaTeX output on the right of the screen without them becoming too constrained horizontally. But probably this is a very particular use case?
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yscikabout 7 years ago
Meanwhile the site has a fixed header taking away vertical space, like many others. Maybe interface design should accomodate the fact that every single desktop user uses a widescreen display and start putting navigation on the side. Vertical tabs and taskbars can also be done in most browsers and OSes. There would probably be a lot of friction if vendors made that the default, but it&#x27;s still easier than replacing every monitor in existence.
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bsharittabout 7 years ago
I find 4:3 too square for both tablets and laptops as it seriously detracts from watching widescreen video content such as nearly all newer movies and TV shows, but 16:9 does have seem a bit too wide compared to height, especially on tablets when you try to use it in portrait mode and it seems ridiculously tall. I&#x27;ve found 16:10 to be a better than 16:9, and while I haven&#x27;t had a 3:2 laptop, the 3:2 Nook HD+ from a few years back is probably my favorite table screen(shame about the rest of the tablet) in that it didn&#x27;t compromise movies too much, but wasn&#x27;t awkward in portrait.
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nekopaabout 7 years ago
I have to say, I really miss the 4:3 ratio on tablets, as I do most of my reading there. I&#x27;ve been trying to read now via landscape orientation and scrolling down the page.<p>It works (kinda) but I miss having the whole page at a view...
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davidhydeabout 7 years ago
The article didn&#x27;t mention why 16:9 screens are chosen over 16:10 screens. You have to make 5% less pixels (screen area) which is a direct cost saving. You can still market your screen at 13&quot; but make it for less money. The more vendors that go for this cost saving approach, the more you gain from economies of scale which drives down the cost further (or drives up the cost of 16:10). Since people look at screen diagonal over screen area, they are usually none the wiser.
makecheckabout 7 years ago
It’s amazing how much more useful hardware could be if software were properly designed and flexible.<p>I don’t know why screens still care about optimizing video...I can’t remember the last time I watched something <i>full screen</i> when there’s picture-in-picture. As with other software, I want to do multiple things and not necessarily just sit and watch something.<p>For decades software has had a weird laziness when it comes to making things simply resizable. Ever seen a program pop up a list of 1000 choices that only shows about 4 of them, truncating half the names, with a useless miniature scrollbar and no ability to resize, on a gigantic screen?<p>The day I got the iPad 1, it was the coolest thing ever. It took just weeks for that to be gradually ruined by ridiculous decisions made in software (web sites that could no longer be pinch-zoomed trying to “help” me with a “mobile-optimized” interface, apps lazily zooming up from phone sizes and making terrible use of space, etc.). To this day I would never opt into a “pro” version of that experience; I simply can’t stand software that constantly wants to tell me how much space I have been rationed for each thing.
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vvandersabout 7 years ago
Happy to see the Surface line called out there, love the 3:2 screen on my Surface Book. So much more usable space than the traditional 16:9&#x2F;10.
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Zardoz84about 7 years ago
Nobody noticed that 16:9 and 16:10 it&#x27;s a lossy approximation to the golden ratio (1,777 and 1,6 vs 1,618)?<p>Also, the 21:9 (2,333) it&#x27;s a lossy approximation to the silver ratio (2,414).<p>But probably nobody knows that 4:3 (1,333) it&#x27;s a lossy approximation to the Córdoba ratio (1,306).<p>Yes, the most popular screen sizes approximate to the most beauty rectangle proportions.<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Golden_ratio" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Golden_ratio</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Silver_ratio" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Silver_ratio</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;es.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rect%C3%A1ngulo_cordob%C3%A9s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;es.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rect%C3%A1ngulo_cordob%C3%A9s</a> (Spanish)
doikorabout 7 years ago
Outside of gaming and videos I pretty much never full screen anything. Just put two windows side by side and 16:9 (and wider) starts to make a lot more sense.
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dborehamabout 7 years ago
Pro tip: put the toolbar on the left side of the screen rather than the the bottom location.
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kodablahabout 7 years ago
&gt; Lateral space is simply not as valuable as vertical space in desktop apps or on the web.<p>This is not the fault of the hardware, it&#x27;s the fault of the software. I want more screen space, and I&#x27;m not asking for a square laptop and I&#x27;m not wanting my screen any taller than it is.<p>Browsers should optimize for vertical space and let you reuse your horizontal space. Tree-style or vertical tabs are perfect for this. But for some reason, all browser vendors follow each other, don&#x27;t build alternative options (or count on the community to do it if they even allow that), and presume they have got it right with tabs on the top. It&#x27;s like browsers have become so hard to build and maintain by the big four that having more than one way to view things is disallowed or relegated to extensions. I&#x27;ve said it before, I want my browser like my IDE. I want to move and dock windows in a MDI, and I want to move around the web like a power user. Yet we&#x27;re all subject to the lowest common denominator of users because, I suppose, maintaining more than one UI paradigm is too difficult and they&#x27;ve all settled on the best apparently.
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efficaxabout 7 years ago
This is where I mourn the discontinuation of the Chromebook Pixel with it&#x27;s glorious 3:2 high res display. A moment of silence please
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KasianFranksabout 7 years ago
Not as dumb as screen real estate when need to cut code, monitor logs and compare on multiple terminals.
mxwsnabout 7 years ago
My favorite laptop that I&#x27;ve ever owned was an unusual 21:9 ultrabook about 5 years ago [0]. The author does acknowledge in the second to last paragraph that ultra widescreen can be helpful, and boy was it. I could fit my terminal side by side with my text editor split into two 80-char tabs, or fit my terminal, text editor, and chrome all together. It was the closest thing to having dual monitors on a laptop without having too strange or annoying of a shape.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;6&#x2F;5&#x2F;3062470&#x2F;toshiba-21-9-ultrabook-ivy-bridge-satellite-u840w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;6&#x2F;5&#x2F;3062470&#x2F;toshiba-21-9-ultra...</a>
sfinkabout 7 years ago
Sidebars! If you take a day to get used to the using a sidebar for browser tabs, you&#x27;ll never go back. I prefer Tree-Style Tabs on Firefox, but it&#x27;s far from the only option.<p>Then again... even with that, I guess I agree with the OP. Even after turning on the sidebar, there&#x27;s more horizontal space than I need. And I love screen real estate.<p>I long ago got used to black bars, and don&#x27;t watch that much video on my laptop anyway. Usually when I do, I&#x27;m connected to an external monitor.
bluedinoabout 7 years ago
Toshiba released a real widescreen laptop a few years back. The 845W. 21:9, 1792x768 pixels. It was neat, Staples or OfficeMax (I can&#x27;t remember) blew them out for $499, but I ended up returning it because 768 pixels is just not enough room to get anything done. Besides, it had all the issues of a typical Windows laptop of the time, battery life wasn&#x27;t very good, touchpad was terrible, etc.<p>Sony also tried this with the VAIO P, in a smaller format with a 1600x768 screen.
zero_intpabout 7 years ago
Users who state others use cases as irrelevant are dumb.<p>As a router jockey, I use widescreen (laptops) for multiple terminal sessions, iterm2 with 4 or 6 80x40 cli windows.
pfootiabout 7 years ago
Why do people say 16:10 when they could say 8:5? (Or worse, 19.5:9 over 39:18?) this one of those human things? Do you just really like numbers close to 9?
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rhackerabout 7 years ago
This kind of debate has been going on forever and it will continue as formats for random purposes are invented at random times in history. There is no next better aspect ratio or pixel density that we should move to so we do our best. If we suddenly switch who is to say the next big unknown thing suddenly makes 14:10 the best ratio for the next 10 years?
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petecoxabout 7 years ago
Aspect ratios are one thing but a number of tasks are just better in portrait. For that purpose I have a desktop monitor stand that rotates 90 degrees.<p>Trickier on a laptop but can&#x27;t someone design a &#x27;convertible&#x27; with a rotate-able kickstand, so that a detachable typecover snaps into place regardless of whether the screen is in landscape or portrait?
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Zardoz84about 7 years ago
At least, some one that noticed that vertical space on screens is important!<p>For many years (since I grab my first 16:9 screen), I used and suggested to others to put the taskbar on a lateral. Because It allow to display more text! You have a more wide screen and you can afford to lose a few of horizontal space better that losing a few of vertical space.
trumpedabout 7 years ago
Maybe it&#x27;s just me, but I don&#x27;t like glossy computer screens either... I&#x27;d rather use matte. It seems like matte screens make a bit of a comeback but it was hard to find one years ago.<p>I once heard a rumor that they were doing widescreens because they were cheaper to manufacture... not sure how true that is...
heskabout 7 years ago
I disagree with the premise of the article that you only use one application at time on a laptop. I almost always use a split screen setup where I have my notes on the right side and another application on the left. In my view, wider is better.
Razenganabout 7 years ago
Regarding the idea that <i>&quot;human vision is biased to search lateral space over vertical space&quot;</i>, what has influenced us to have writing systems that are almost universally horizontal?<p>I can only think of Japanese that may be written vertically.
jessaustinabout 7 years ago
My taste is generally for more squarish screens, but it must be said: the image at the beginning of TFA supports the point less than it shows the goofiness of Verge&#x27;s design.
apocalypstyxabout 7 years ago
I hear writers with this complaint alot, too. But I&#x27;ve never understood it. Sure, if you&#x27;ve only got the one file, there&#x27;s black&#x2F;white space on either side of the column (if you&#x27;re fullscreened and in full-on anti-distraction mode), but it&#x27;s just never bothered me like it does everyone else. However, I find it&#x27;s great to be able to split emacs vertically and have notes&#x2F;documentation&#x2F;outlines on the left and the actual document on the right and both hold an 80+ character line with my preferred font. And I wouldn&#x27;t go back unless I had to.
youdontknowthoabout 7 years ago
I disagree. I like the wider line length for coding. (No I don&#x27;t stick to 80 chars line length.)
thvu1kabout 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t agree. They&#x27;re very useful (ex. graphic design)
cup-of-teaabout 7 years ago
I don&#x27;t know why this article is only about laptops. It&#x27;s difficult to buy a square desktop monitor these days too. I&#x27;ve been complaining about it for years. Widescreen is a terrible shape for code. I don&#x27;t need more horizontal space, I need more lines. What am I going to use horizontal space for? People say turn the monitor vertical but that&#x27;s horrible too. The screen is designed to be viewed at a certain angle for a start. 4:3 is perfect for me to be able to have two columns of code filling the entire screen.
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justherefortartabout 7 years ago
I wouldn&#x27;t have ever guessed I&#x27;d love the 3:2 of my Surface but I agree with this article.<p>I&#x27;d still probably choose 16:10 because it&#x27;s close enough, but 16:9 bugs me to no end (LENOVO) when there&#x27;s a huge bezel above and below the screen.<p>At high enough resolution the side bar development doesn&#x27;t impede me anymore (1600x1200 seemed good, 1400x1050 a little less on my old Thinkpads).<p>If the Surface were just more reliable I&#x27;d consider it. Until them I&#x27;m still using Thinkpads (in spite of their own shortcomings).
jlebrechabout 7 years ago
depends how tall the screen is.
nabc45about 7 years ago
16:9 is dumb.
mariusmgabout 7 years ago
What a moronic article. More space is always better. On Windows&#x2F;Linux just chuck the taskbar on the left&#x2F;right of the screen and enjoy the extra visible space.<p>The shit some people complain about , unbelieavable......
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