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Cryptonetworks and why tokens are fundamental

118 pointsby squirrelabout 7 years ago

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rajeckabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;m always happy to be convinced that someone has seen something I&#x27;ve missed in all of this hype about crypto, but when you say things like...<p>&#x27;imagine if you could fork Amazon and launch a direct competitor&#x27;<p>..you&#x27;ve lost me. Amazon is not a code base. It has over 500,000 employees who work hard to serve its customers. How do you fork that?<p>I would offer another, better example but I can&#x27;t think of one. Web 2.0 companies are so far ahead that web 3.0 is going to have to come up with something completely different to be commercially interesting.
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equalarrowabout 7 years ago
This is the big picture and it most aligns with how I feel about this emerging space.<p>There&#x27;s a problem with developers and cs people and that is that they are looking at one small spec - the blockchain data structure. From there, the work their way up through sensationalist headlines and shout &quot;blockchain is crap, it should go away, we don&#x27;t need more &#x27;money&#x27;, this whole space with its ico&#x27;s is a scam!&quot;, etc, etc.<p>But it&#x27;s not a scam. It should not go away. And, it is the future.<p>No one I think is debating that the &#x27;blockchain&#x27; (I&#x27;m referring to the bitcoin data structure here) is slow. Anyone that holds on to that nugget is entirely missing the point and needs to grab their 56k modem and 386 and go hunker down in the closet, because that&#x27;s their mindset.<p>Bitcoin (and other tokens) are not valuable because of their slow data structure. They are valuable because, like the article says, they are permissionless and globally distributed (immutability is also key and not mentioned).<p>If you think that is not important, you are fooling yourself. It&#x27;s a revolution just as big as webapps were over non-connected desktop apps. Just as mobile was over desktop web apps.<p>Take my super high level case of &#x27;blockchain&#x27; medical company (I use this when I talk to people about why this next wave is important).<p>Currently today companies own your medical data. If you move from one medical provider to another, in order to get your history over to the new provider, the new guy has to either call or request a fax of that data and then double enter it into their system. <i>Maybe</i> this exchange is automated but I doubt it.<p>What happens when you leave that company? New company has to go through the same laborious process. And so on and so forth.<p>This is today&#x27;s problem: silo&#x27;d data &#x27;owned&#x27; by various companies out there. The end user&#x2F;customer has little power because they own nothing. They are at the mercy of that data because companies do not want to share (they want to corner markets and destroy competition) and companies do care enough about securing &#x27;your&#x27; data, so thieves then break in and steal it. It&#x27;s funner for them to build teams, have company parties, tout their prowess and expertise in the press. Securing data and making it interoperable - not very fun or profitable.<p>What (smart) people are working towards is turning this equation on its head and encrypting and distributing globally all the data. So, instead of using 10 medical companies throughout your life, the potential is to use a distributed system that stores your data in some kind of &#x27;blockchain&#x27; (zoom out an think an immutable record of your entire health history) that only you have the full pub&#x2F;private key(s) to. (Yes, wallets and keys are a potential problem here and we&#x27;ll have to work more towards making recovery easier. This is a big, deep topic in and of itself.)<p>This is not far fetched. We already use ssh keys on remote servers where root has the ultimate permissions and then we can add&#x2F;remove users at will with their own keys and permissions. So, we understand conceptually how to use pub&#x2F;priv keys with regard to access. It&#x27;s not a stretch to start figuring out how to apply this to global data and companies and teams have already been doing this.<p>Of course, the &#x27;old&#x27; medical companies would have to use this system as well and they probably will go kicking and screaming since the data to _them_ is not as valuable because they are not in control anymore. But to _you_ it is. It really is _your_ data and you can take it wherever you want over your lifetime.<p>This is a total paradigm shift of how tech companies will need to operate in the future.<p>Tokens, blockchains, dlt&#x27;s, yah, they&#x27;re all buzzwords. But so are saas, elastic ip&#x27;s, spa&#x27;s, and load balancers. There was a time when you didn&#x27;t need any of those things and now, they&#x27;re part of everyday life even if you don&#x27;t know it.<p>So, hate if you will, but I already know people working on things like this. Tokenization, dlt&#x2F;blockchain&#x2F;dag, gloabal pki access, true micro txn&#x27;s - these are all things already in play and we&#x27;ll see more and more of them in the coming years.
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JumpCrisscrossabout 7 years ago
Context: Union Square Ventures was part of a recent group of VCs that “wanted formal assurance from regulators that their products would be exempt from SEC oversight, arguing the tokens aren’t investments but products that can be exclusively used to access services or networks provided by startup companies” [1].<p>This was broadly seen as a self-serving pitch, as Matt Levine comically noted:<p>“I am sympathetic to the idea that some innovation should be allowed in initial coin offerings, and that the fact that ICO tokens definitely seem like ‘securities’ under existing precedent doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean that the best policy approach is to subject them to all of our existing securities laws. The optimistic view of ICOs is that they enable a genuinely new way to fund and create ownerless networks, and in this age of overly powerful owned networks, that is something worth exploring and encouraging. But you do have to start from a place of honesty: ‘These are probably securities, so what do we do about it’ rather than ‘hahaha what there is no speculation in the ICO market, what are you even talking about?’ [2]”<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cryptocurrency-firms-investors-seek-exemption-from-sec-oversight-1524130200" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cryptocurrency-firms-investors-...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;view&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2018-04-20&#x2F;being-short-and-right-can-be-bad" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;view&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2018-04-20&#x2F;being-sho...</a>
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faizshahabout 7 years ago
The current business model of ICOs is functionally as a pyramid scheme due to the deflationary nature of most cryptocurrencies. The idea is you buy, then you hold &amp; evangelize, then you sell at 10x&#x2F;100x. Look at the dropping transaction volume across the board even during the mainstream attention on cryptocurrency.<p>If these cryptocurrencies or tokens were inflationary and meant to promote commerce&#x2F;trading rather than holding and speculation then I don&#x27;t think anyone would have a problem (like more easily traded microsoft points or MMO gold).<p>This also doesn&#x27;t change the fact that most online currencies are functioning as unregulated securities and are facilitating illegal transactions and money laundering.<p>If more thought was put into creating decentralized, inflationary currencies that followed current financial regulations I would not have a problem with cryptocurrencies. But the predatory nature of the community that has developed around cryptocurrency and the focus on get rich quick schemes rather than online commerce is what worries me about cryptocurrency.<p>Sorry for the rant.
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JamesLeonisabout 7 years ago
If a protocol or technology is susceptible to government control or governance, it is by definition centralized. First it was Super Peers, then Trackers, and now it&#x27;s these <i>teams</i>. It&#x27;s all on the &quot;The Role of Government&quot; [1] page of his slide deck. Let me tackle each one-by-one.<p>* Light-Touch Stewardship<p>* Buyer&#x2F;Investor Protection<p>Both of these imply a beneficiary&#x2F;counterparty to go after. No counterparty means any protections or enforcement is impossible below a network-wide ban.<p>* US-Centrality<p>Also implies a beneficiary, if only to gain tax revenue or the splashy effects of innovation.<p>In both cases centralization is a key component. To put another way, BitTorrent does not have a <i>Role of Government</i> section in it&#x27;s spec.<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;7koiztv8mae98qg&#x2F;What%20Are%20Cryptonetworks%20and%20Why%20are%20Tokens%20Fundamental_.pdf?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;7koiztv8mae98qg&#x2F;What%20Are%20Crypt...</a>
BerislavLopacabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;m honestly curious about what is VC reasoning behind investing to decentralised networks? In my view, a company behind such a product would be inherently un-exitable.
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montroseabout 7 years ago
I upvoted this despite the rewritten title, which I hope the mods will fix.
tramGGabout 7 years ago
I read this about an &quot;ocean of tokens&quot;, and their role and evolution of building new tech and it seems relevant<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.synapse.ai&#x2F;an-ocean-of-tokens-abf976418feb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.synapse.ai&#x2F;an-ocean-of-tokens-abf976418feb</a>