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Make front end shit again

681 pointsby katpasabout 7 years ago

63 comments

jameskiltonabout 7 years ago
I love the point the site is trying to make but I&#x27;m confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node&#x2F;npm&#x2F;yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file.<p>Shouldn&#x27;t this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?
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citricsquidabout 7 years ago
A few months ago I created a project called Hypertext Town, a simple project where anybody can create &quot;camps&quot; (a collection of HTML, images etc.) and connect them together through &quot;towns&quot;. A town lives at a subdomain (e.g: town.hypertext.town) and a camp lives at &#x2F;~camp (e.g: town.hypertext.town&#x2F;~camp). I never &quot;launched&quot; it so it&#x27;s just been languishing in obscurity on the www but if anybody wants to make cute little creative HTML websites without the need for hosting, it&#x27;s live to use at: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hypertext.town" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hypertext.town</a><p>1. click &quot;Set up camp in www&quot; 2. make an account 3. choose your camp name 3. add your html &#x2F; images etc.<p>edit: visit <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackernews.hypertext.town" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackernews.hypertext.town</a> (by TeMPOraL)
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saravieiraabout 7 years ago
Hey!<p>I made this dumb thing! Yes, the fact that it&#x27;s made with vue and stuff is on porpuse, I wanted to make it with reasonml but didn&#x27;t have any time so ended up with vue.<p>The point is that we complicate so many shit today that is not needed<p>Have fun and I will add some marquee tags!
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scyclowabout 7 years ago
Oh man, I love stuff like this. It&#x27;s too bad that the web has been taken over by bootstrap, WordPress, and squarspace. But you can do a lot with raw html, css, and JavaScript! And as a bonus, it ends up looking really unique. It&#x27;s sort of weird that whenever I show friends the dumb shit I make [1], their immediate reaction is lump it in with geocities.<p>[1] ex. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fastcashmoneyplus.biz" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fastcashmoneyplus.biz</a>
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ibudialloabout 7 years ago
I once read a comment here on HN about SEO, and someone was suggesting to start by buying a domain name that is your first and last name. I thought it was cool, but didn&#x27;t see how it could improve SEO. But I bought it anyway[1].<p>I had nothing to put on it for a while, so I started just working on my own design skills replicating Google.com. It just a fun thing I do for absolutely no benefits to others. Great way of learning.<p>Anyway, I check my other projects analytics and it shows that a large number of user sign ups come from that random for fun project.<p>So yes, please keep building websites like these. Build your own terrible website and don&#x27;t worry if they don&#x27;t seem immediately useful.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibrahimdiallo.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ibrahimdiallo.com</a>
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infodroidabout 7 years ago
If you like this, then check out Neocities, a free and modern Geocities reboot:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;</a><p>There are many fun sites to discover using the tag system, which emulates web rings:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;browse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;browse</a>
tombertabout 7 years ago
I agree with the sentiment of this site. I have an nginx proxy set up for personal stuff, and the home page was done in an homage to GeoCities:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brucewillis.sexy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brucewillis.sexy&#x2F;</a><p>Eventually I will get midi music playing correctly with mouse-tails.
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mlokabout 7 years ago
&quot;Salut c&#x27;est cool&quot; is a French collective &#x2F; group of friends doing this with websites, music, videos, everything. They ended up making a name in the music business, playing on huge music festivals since 2010, for the very reason of making everything quick &amp; dirty for the fun. Lots of people want that actually.<p>Website : <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;salutcestcool.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;salutcestcool.com&#x2F;</a><p>Check out their Christmas Calendars (2010-2014) in the &quot;Trucs&quot; section. Funny stuff. There you can find &quot;Facebook 2&quot; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salutcestcool.com&#x2F;quatre&#x2F;facebook2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salutcestcool.com&#x2F;quatre&#x2F;facebook2&#x2F;</a> or &quot;make a webpage in a few clicks&quot; : <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salutcestcool.com&#x2F;quatre&#x2F;page&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salutcestcool.com&#x2F;quatre&#x2F;page&#x2F;</a><p>Music : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;hBduDuYXJHI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;hBduDuYXJHI</a>
weber111about 7 years ago
Clicking around a little on the OP site&#x27;s gallery led me to <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;</a><p>and, in particular, to the post on the front page as of today, &quot;9&#x2F;11 and Vernacular Web&quot; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;archives&#x2F;5983" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;archives&#x2F;5983</a>, which catalogs Geocities pages updated on 9&#x2F;11. Pretty haunting.
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daemonkabout 7 years ago
I think there is a function to &quot;boring&quot; website design. For the purpose of communication, it is great that we have a common dialogue, as boring as that may be.<p>People recognize buttons, textboxes, tabs, etc and knows how to use them. There are certain expectations of where certain elements would be on a site and that allows us to navigate quicker.<p>There should also be people who are pushing the boundaries of what design can look like, but I don&#x27;t think that necessarily needs to be a majority.
jd3about 7 years ago
God, I&#x27;ve been complaining about this for so many years now. The hardest part about duplicating the Web 1.0 aesthetic (well) has been finding the primary locations where the tile&#x2F;image&#x2F;iconsets originated and mirroring them for modern consumption — I&#x27;m still working on that.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dataswamp.org&#x2F;~john&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dataswamp.org&#x2F;~john&#x2F;</a>
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derefrabout 7 years ago
People still make these exact things, only now they exist as formatting within a post on a blogging engine, rather than as standalone HTML pages. Search “aesthetic gif blog” and you’ll find tons of them.<p>As far as the “silly spamming of things between text” aspect goes—that’s still done as well, only now it’s done with emoji. (If <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;knowyourmeme.com&#x2F;memes&#x2F;good-shit-sign-me-the-fuck-up" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;knowyourmeme.com&#x2F;memes&#x2F;good-shit-sign-me-the-fuck-up</a> isn’t an example of 1997-era melange-design aesthetics, I don’t know what is.)
xab9about 7 years ago
Oh boy, it&#x27;s a bit far fetched if not downright cynical (or maybe I&#x27;m oversensitive and this was not meant to be a response to people who cry about minute long cached webpack compile times or megabytes of angular payloads).<p>Frontend complexity went through the roof in the last ten years and compared to desktop software (not geocities) our developer tools and end results are not that great (ymmv).<p>But that&#x27;s just my personal opinion, after fifteen years of web development and growing up along the c64 - 286 - pentium road, debugging in Watcom and fooling around in Turbo Vision.
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Camilloabout 7 years ago
That was not &quot;front end&quot;, that was webpages. There was no &quot;back end&quot; and no business, the webpage was the whole thing. And you were not paid as a &quot;front end engineer&quot; or even a &quot;designer&quot;, in fact you were not paid at all, you were just some guy making a webpage.
superkuhabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve never strayed from the ideas this site is talking about (though not practicing). All my sites are static HTML&#x2F;CSS written by hand designed to display content rather than look pretty. I make them for fun or to scratch an itch.<p>The only line of JS I use on my personal site is optional to trigger a page reload to display a submitted comment with the rest. The comment system itself requires no JS to use. It&#x27;s just a particular string, &#x27;&#x2F;@say&#x2F;your comment here&#x27; appended to <i>any</i> URL on the site. A perl script tails the nginx log and generates&#x2F;modifies the static html files.<p>I feel like most of this kind of design has gone away because the people that make websites make them for commerce now and that requires a lot of bullshit. Bullshit which they bring home if only because of inertia.
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RobertRobertsabout 7 years ago
&gt;<i>Source code at Github</i><p>This is why it&#x27;s not fun anymore. Seriously, go look at all that crap you have to learn AND understand AND debug, ETC...<p>The reason all this crap was &quot;fun&quot; before was because it was so damn easy. :(
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kbodyabout 7 years ago
&quot;We used to make websites because it was fun and at a point we lost the way.&quot;<p>Indeed.
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breaker05about 7 years ago
I have fun making stuff like when I made <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goatattack.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goatattack.com&#x2F;</a>
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lgesslerabout 7 years ago
Check out Digital Folklore[1] if you&#x27;re into this aesthetic, it&#x27;s a good collection of essays on Geocities, the early web, and related topics. One of the authors&#x27; web site[2] is also worth a look (warning: there&#x27;s sound :) ). She also runs a Tumblr blog[3] that posts screenshots of real Geocities sites.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;digitalfolklore.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;digitalfolklore.org&#x2F;</a><p>[2]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;art.teleportacia.org&#x2F;olia.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;art.teleportacia.org&#x2F;olia.html</a><p>[3]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.geocities.institute&#x2F;</a>
djhworldabout 7 years ago
Brought a smile to my face.<p>Outside of the silly nostalgia, I do appreciate the personal blog&#x2F;websites that are very minimal in their theming, while still looking modern and clean.<p>The silly old geocities days were fun but, it&#x27;s nice to have readable text too.
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StavrosKabout 7 years ago
This is fantastic, let&#x27;s please make more of this. I made a Dropbox-like client that helps you easily publish these kinds of sites on IPFS: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hearth.eternum.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hearth.eternum.io&#x2F;</a><p>Just make the site and drop it into your ~&#x2F;Hearth&#x2F; directory, it will be published automatically.
objplantabout 7 years ago
When I see a page like that I remember Mahir&#x27;s page and its popularity: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mahir.faithweb.com&#x2F;original.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mahir.faithweb.com&#x2F;original.htm</a><p>It&#x27;s nostalgic and definitely different from what we are used to today, but I don&#x27;t really miss animated gifs, dozens of font styles and colors smashed together into a html. For me a cherry on the top was changing status message when hovering a link from target url to some custom text.
h43zabout 7 years ago
I was just browsing Tilde Club [1] and then came here. Nice to see this on the HN homepage.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.club&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.club&#x2F;</a>
madeofpalkabout 7 years ago
&gt; We used to make websites because it was fun and at a point we lost the way<p>I know this is just some little tongue in cheek joke, but I can&#x27;t help but vehemently disagree with this.<p>Never did we only make websites just &quot;because it was fun&quot; any more or less than we do now.
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AriaMinaeiabout 7 years ago
Web pages used to be <i>amazingly</i> creative, with terrible usability. Now they&#x27;re the <i>exact</i> opposite. Usability is good, but they all look the same.<p>I wonder what social sciences have to say about this. About public opinion swinging from one extreme to the other, never seeming to be able to land on the sane middle.
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Finnucaneabout 7 years ago
Needs a hit counter at the bottom of the page. Also, a webring link. Really, we should bring back webring links.
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salawatabout 7 years ago
I just shed a tear.<p>God, I miss Web 1.0.
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slowmotionyabout 7 years ago
It&#x27;s already shit now and getting shittier with every new layer of abstraction
xamuelabout 7 years ago
Something a lot of HNers seem to forget is that people used to build websites just for kicks. You like DragonballZ? You make a DragonballZ page on Geocities just for the hell of it. No adsense, no Google Analytics, no search-engine optimization or newsletter or investor pitch... that part of the early web seems to really have faded, and it&#x27;s a pity.
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MindToothabout 7 years ago
I would rather opt for this then the modern JavaScript, large graphics, native code, etc., that is only there to bog down your system, and&#x2F;or make your browser crash, and so forth.. (My opinion&#x2F;experience.)<p>When you have en article&#x2F;text that require over 10 MB to load, I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;m convinced of the benefit. The only reason I visited the site in the first place were to read the article (10-15 lines of text), and&#x2F;or view some minor&#x2F;related photos.<p>Guess that&#x27;s why Atom&#x2F;RSS is on the rice again I suppose. (DISCLAIMER: Just started using Newsboat[1] via the terminal, and I freaking love it :) )<p>Note! That is not to say that there isn&#x27;t some formidable people doing astonishing works, and should be credited accordingly. The web sprawls of infinite possibles, and have something that caters to all.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsboat.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsboat.org</a>
jzzskijjabout 7 years ago
Fortunately web is going behind the subscription model in accelerating speed. In a few years, when we can&#x27;t justify subscribing to dozens of websites and paying hundreds of bucks for content we have no time to read, we&#x27;re back in usenet reading single copy-pasted (pirated) articles for free.
davidsawyerabout 7 years ago
Needs a hit counter!
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phendrenad2about 7 years ago
Personal websites served two purposes:<p>1) You could write about whatever you were interested in.<p>2) You could share things you had found on the web with others.<p>These days, (1) has been superseded by YouTube and Facebook groups, and (2) has been superseded by Wikipedia&#x2F;Google&#x2F;YouTube.
ironjunkieabout 7 years ago
What happened in between is that the Multi-Billion startup guys took over.<p>Now the web is the place for yet another pizza delivery startup with a super slick frontend. Websites are made industrially mainly to sell. All the big platforms took over. There is no place anymore for small self-hosted websites (or at least those are extremely rare)<p>Call me cynical, which is probably true, but I remember the time when the web was the playground of the geeks. Now it feels like it became the playground of business majors.
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n-gaugeabout 7 years ago
Back in the day this would have taken 15 minutes to download - seeing this appear instantly loses some of what it conveys. Need some setTimeouts adding on those images.....
Nadyaabout 7 years ago
I mean, there are plenty of sites like this on Neocities [0] - which has a goal to be the New Geocities. :) If you seek it out, you can find the fun web again. But I do agree that it&#x27;s a smaller and smaller fraction of the web. But with Facebook, why would people follow strangers on their websites when they can follow all their friends on Facebook?<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;browse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;browse</a>
kennuabout 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve been hoping that VR would be the next web in this sense, but haven&#x27;t seen it happen yet. It would be so cool to have a world-wide fully open Second Life.
Chetaneabout 7 years ago
Was hoping the source code would also be good ol&#x27; hand crafted html, with &lt;table&gt; elements used for layout and so on...
CodinMabout 7 years ago
&gt;not writing pure HTML to make this
bmh_caabout 7 years ago
I had a few moments to work on tko (knockout 4) this morning and I just have to say how happy I am with the ko methodology. Not to knock (pardon the put) any of the more recent forays into js&#x2F;web-ux , but holy smokes I’m satisfied with ko and excited about its future.
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exodustabout 7 years ago
&quot;Remember Jquery&quot; doesn&#x27;t fit there, it&#x27;s still popular and kept current, as it should be, it&#x27;s awesome and useful.<p>Also I still use FTP (secure FTP of course), I use it for smaller projects on shared hosting and so on. It&#x27;s completely fine.
tlrobinsonabout 7 years ago
People never stopped making fun stuff on the web, it just doesn’t have the same 90s web aesthetic or artisanal handcrafted bespoke raw HTML&#x2F;CSS&#x2F;JS the author is nostalgic for, and there’s so much more content now that it gets drowned out.
karoodabout 7 years ago
when it worked at 33.6 kbps...
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jlgaddisabout 7 years ago
What, no &lt;marquee&gt;!?
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dredmorbiusabout 7 years ago
Outline perfectly captures this site.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;DZmUUG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;DZmUUG</a>
partycoderabout 7 years ago
It was not shit. It allowed a lot of people to express themselves and be creative... beyond 140 characters or so.
shiadoabout 7 years ago
All that minified JS, fonts from a Google domain. At least playing lip service to the idea counts I guess.
babyabout 7 years ago
I want to see more flash stuff :c
bmpafaabout 7 years ago
Hey, speak for yourself pal. Some of us have been making shitty websites all along.
qz_about 7 years ago
was gonna say this isn&#x27;t mobile friendly but i guess that&#x27;s the point
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b0rsukabout 7 years ago
Sounds like the Scratchware Manifesto, but for websites, not games.
simpxabout 7 years ago
this site reminds me the old days, when I use frontpage, make some silly but funny stuffs that&#x27;s the youth which have already passed.
osephabout 7 years ago
front end stuff is fun! my playground: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mondaysoups.ca" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mondaysoups.ca</a>
monetusabout 7 years ago
This is really smooth on my raspberry pi. awesome.
fixermarkabout 7 years ago
This doesn&#x27;t look right on my phone.
MulliMulliabout 7 years ago
Wait - no burning skull gif on the site?
ada1981about 7 years ago
AnthonyDavidAdams.com&#x2F;memescope<p>is my contribution.
kiechuabout 7 years ago
Comic Sans should be obligatory.
ajeet_dhaliwalabout 7 years ago
This was nostalgic fun - thanks.
chris_wotabout 7 years ago
I literally read this as &quot;make <i>the</i> front end shit again&quot;. Oops.
okonomiyaki3000about 7 years ago
Pass
jordacheabout 7 years ago
huh? Since when was making blinking text and displaying clip arts fun? Even back in the day, you knew web as a platform was handicapped, when compared to the awesome expressiveness of Macromedia Flash.
prolikewhoaabout 7 years ago
It already is shit?<p>Web 1.0 was peak internet, when creativity was alive before normies and corporations started making every website 200MB of ad-loading javascript.
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