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The World’s Best Violins Sing Like Humans

59 pointsby jesperhtalmost 7 years ago

12 comments

Meeraxalmost 7 years ago
This isn't particularly relevant to the article, but I'm a luthier (15 years repairing and restoring violins and violas, and 28yrs as a player) and I really love and appreciate the HN community for it's interest in things like this. Thanks everyone!
sporkologistalmost 7 years ago
This article seems presumptuous without taking into account the Stradivarius Double Blind Challenge.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencemag.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017&#x2F;05&#x2F;million-dollar-strads-fall-modern-violins-blind-sound-check" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencemag.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017&#x2F;05&#x2F;million-dollar-strads...</a>
jarmitagealmost 7 years ago
I played a concert with a violinist recently, where I was live coding audio effects for each string independently via a quadraphonic pickup.<p>I was particularly struck by this effect when I pitch shifted certain strings by certain amounts - the timbre took on a distinctly vocal quality. I think it was when I shifted the A string up one octave.
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gtycombalmost 7 years ago
It is not about the instrument alone but also who is playing it, and how, certainly. Here is violinist Hilary Hahn playing Bach Partita No. 3 -- it is emotionally moving, to the human ear. It represents so many years of her training and performing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3VOkrddp6M8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3VOkrddp6M8</a><p>Her instrument is a Vuillaume, and this instrument was owned by Pagnini. (Paganini had an unfortunate betting habit. He lost his favourite Stradivarius in one of those betting bouts. Later, the French luthier Vuillaume built him one just like his Stradivari. Paganini liked it as much as his lost instrument).
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gtycombalmost 7 years ago
Irvy Gitlis talking about his Stradivarius, 1713. Note his awe of the instrument builder even though it is only a &quot;piece of wood with a string attached...&quot; he says<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qRxtDaMei8Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qRxtDaMei8Q</a>
madhadronalmost 7 years ago
Having dug through the original PNAS article this is about, there&#x27;s nothing particularly interesting here. Different makers produced distinct instruments. They neglect the other major schools of violin making, such as that based around Steiner in Germany or the French makers, and show that they can find some spectrograms of singers that look like the spectrograms of the different instruments.<p>Historically this is uninteresting, as we have no reason to think that the makers were consciously trying to imitate a particular kind of voice. It&#x27;s not interesting physics (and the physics of violin acoustics have been done about to death). It&#x27;s not interesting mathematics or statistics. And it has no implications for violin making.
arafaalmost 7 years ago
In a history of music class I took, they casually suggested that all instruments closest to the sound and expressiveness of a human voice were among the most popular (see saxophones and guitars with tremolo). This seems to be yet another example of that.
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nedumaalmost 7 years ago
Any samples and playlists?
default-krameralmost 7 years ago
I always thought that Farewell from Crouching Tiger had an interesting vocal. It was years before I realized that there is no vocal - it&#x27;s an erhu.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8Fr3Uqh_KZ0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8Fr3Uqh_KZ0</a>
z3t4almost 7 years ago
I had a childhood friend who was obsessed with bands like King Crimson and the <i>Melotron</i> (musical instrument), and when he got his first couple of salaries he finally was able to buy one. We have lost contact, but I bet he&#x27;s still playing on his Melotron.
geebeealmost 7 years ago
Is it unusual that HN discusses violins so often? Seems like this comes up a lot.<p>One common theme is that extremely expensive old violins aren&#x27;t better than modern, well crafted violins (these new violins are still expensive, but measured in the tens of thousands, not millions).<p>While this doesn&#x27;t surprise me, I do wonder if it misses (to some extent) the point. My guess is that a mass produced, relatively inexpensive violin could very well be as &quot;good&quot; as a more expensive, unique one. But one thing we know about artisanal work is that it&#x27;s expensive because it&#x27;s unique and can&#x27;t be produced through mass production, not because it is strictly better.<p>I like violins, and play them, mainly early jazz, Irish, bluegrass. It&#x27;s clear to me that different people are looking for different things in a violin, and that you may not get this from a mass produced instrument. It&#x27;s not that the more expensive one is <i>better</i> in a blind test, it&#x27;s that it produces a tone that is hard to find in most instruments, and because it&#x27;s fairly unique, you&#x27;ll only find it in an older instrument or a hand crafted one.<p>This article is interesting, in the idea that some violins are altos and some are baritones. This ins&#x27;t surprising, we know that violins (and other musical instruments) excel in different registers, and that there are often trade offs (volume, tone, brightness, richness).<p>Part of the problem, for me, is that I just don&#x27;t get to play very many violins. I don&#x27;t feel ok about going to a high end violin store and playing their instruments all afternoon.<p>But personally, I am on the lookout for something. One thing I really like about Irish music is the airs - slower pieces with long, often open notes, that often aren&#x27;t played with vibrato (sometimes they can&#x27;t be directly played with vibrato, since there is extensive use of open strings).<p>I don&#x27;t want to get into a big debate about whether vibrato &quot;should&quot; be used in Irish airs on fiddle, cause my opinion is go ahead, if you like it. But to me, there&#x27;s something about the way a note can ring, almost like a bell, that you can achieve when you draw the bow properly across the string at a particular harmonic, but don&#x27;t add any additional vibrato.<p>This article has me thinking there&#x27;s probably an analogy to the human voice here as well. Baritones, Altos, but there&#x27;s definitely a style of singing (common in cathedral choirs) that relies on a pinpoint &quot;ring&quot; rather than an operatic vibrato.<p>This article makes me thing there probably are some styles of violin that would excel at producing these notes. Downside, I don&#x27;t have $10,000+ to spend, and I doubt a high end shop would enjoy me running this experiment on their inventory.
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mettamagealmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;d appreciate it if someone knows about YouTube videos where these types of violins are used.
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