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U.S. Launches Criminal Probe into Bitcoin Price Manipulation

308 pointsby sdfxalmost 7 years ago

15 comments

sinealmost 7 years ago
For anyone who hasn&#x27;t been following, the prevailing theory is that the largest Cryptocoin exchange &quot;Bitfinex&quot; also runs an altcoin called &quot;Teather&quot; which was marketed as being backed 1:1 by USD. So far they&#x27;ve created 2.8 BILLION USDT and coincidently the times they create millions of these happens to be in the middle of extreme market crashes.<p>See this chart: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;Uo07d1d.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;Uo07d1d.jpg</a><p>More details here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;cryptomedication&#x2F;uncovering-the-real-cartel-in-bitcoin-65b56a7a00a2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;cryptomedication&#x2F;uncovering-the-real-cart...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@bitfinexed&#x2F;latest" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@bitfinexed&#x2F;latest</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@mattcollburner&#x2F;bitmex-insiders-caught-in-a-web-of-lies-6d9b90baa693" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@mattcollburner&#x2F;bitmex-insiders-caught-in...</a>
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nonbelalmost 7 years ago
&gt;&quot;The Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into whether traders are manipulating the price of Bitcoin and other digital currencies, dramatically ratcheting up U.S. scrutiny of red-hot markets that critics say are rife with misconduct, <i>according to four people familiar with the matter.</i> [...] Federal prosecutors are working with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, a financial regulator that oversees derivatives tied to Bitcoin, <i>the people</i> said.&quot;<p>Why isn&#x27;t there a better source for this than &quot;four people&quot;? I didn&#x27;t see anything on the DOJ site. Perhaps they are talking about this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cftc.gov&#x2F;PressRoom&#x2F;PressReleases&#x2F;7731-18" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cftc.gov&#x2F;PressRoom&#x2F;PressReleases&#x2F;7731-18</a><p>However, that doesn&#x27;t mention the DOJ so maybe not. Is it normal for the DOJ to anonymously report its activities to journalists like this?
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thisisitalmost 7 years ago
This going to be interesting. They will ask all the US based exchanges - Coinbase, Circle etc for their trade and order data for analysis. Coinbase has already fought and lost a case when it came to sharing the data for tax purposes. And one of the touted features of cryptocurrency has always been anonymity.
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shiadoalmost 7 years ago
The mechanics of manipulating price are just too easy not to do it. The wash trading is clearly so bad on many exchanges that I bet there are agreements with the miners to recuperate losses to trading fees. It is in all parties interest to prop the price up this way so why wouldn&#x27;t they do it. So many sketchy things get ignored because they prop the price up.<p>The USDT situation will get interesting eventually. Somebody made a spreadsheet of non-fiat volume of cryptocurrencies.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;spreadsheets&#x2F;d&#x2F;1pIrTYpJZrGbeI9QTIWGwYdRmz9FFY_KRpXOcZbjwYu8&#x2F;edit#gid=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;spreadsheets&#x2F;d&#x2F;1pIrTYpJZrGbeI9QTIWGw...</a><p>Basically the fate of many shitcoins are tied together. My thought is that when USDT finally gets revealed as totally fraudulent the whole crypto house of cards crashes.
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brownbatalmost 7 years ago
Funny how the cryptocurrency values were crashing in advance of this news...
jasonmortonalmost 7 years ago
Here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0Bzu6iGPza2s9amFURTFzenRWVGgxbzNWMUVsQ2pTLTUzc1Nv&#x2F;view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;file&#x2F;d&#x2F;0Bzu6iGPza2s9amFURTFzenRWVGg...</a> are some slides from a talk I gave last year at Strata about what spoofing and layering is, and how a trading firm or exchange might detect or prevent them.
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lumberjackalmost 7 years ago
Despite all predictions to the contrary, the US government is doing quite a lot to legitimize Bitcoin.
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mancerayderalmost 7 years ago
What grates my nerves isn&#x27;t primarily Bitfinex&#x2F;Tether, it&#x27;s the other exchanges. Why did they accept Tether? Of all the &#x27;altcoins&#x27;, one backed by an asset like cash is the easiest to verify (or be skeptical of if verification requests are dismissed or ignored). When I signed onto Bittrex, USDT was one of the prominent trading pairs. It was a useful trading pair, because instead of seeing numbers like &quot;.000000314121 : 1 BTC&quot;, you&#x27;d get a dollar figure you could mentally parse. Of course, the damned software could have done that automatically with a currency of the user&#x27;s choice. That&#x27;s kind of a tangent, though. Why weren&#x27;t the other exchanges more critical of Tether and kept it after months of controversy and skepticism?
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fwdpropagandaalmost 7 years ago
Some context from a non-expert.<p>From what I understand, things like spoofing in financial markets (where you submit orders which you don&#x27;t plan to have filled for the purpose that the market sees &quot;interest&quot; in a certain direction and in hope that moves the market), are regulated but still a grey area. The reason for this is that it&#x27;s an activity that involves intent. Placing certain orders is perfectly ok if you&#x27;re hoping that they get filled and you take a position, but placing the same orders could be spoofing if your goal is to cancel them once the market starts moving as a consequence.
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fredgrottalmost 7 years ago
What is the track on Winklevoss&#x27; proposal to a self regulation org for crypto currency exchanges?
pandasunalmost 7 years ago
Man I wish I could understand only 5% of the economics behind this. It seems so interesting.
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exabrialalmost 7 years ago
Why? I like the wild west landscape that is Bitcoin! If anything it&#x27;s going to turn it to be an interesting experiment in macroeconomics!
rb808almost 7 years ago
I was surprised to read that the US regulators feel they have jurisdiction to regulate bitcoin transactions. How can this be - is it just because there are BTC futures now?
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sureaboutthisalmost 7 years ago
This is so strange to me because I was unaware bitcoin was a real financial instrument any country would care about. I&#x27;ve had three financial advisors, from Edward Jones, Stifel Nicolas and a little guy around the corner, all tell me to stay away from bitcoins. One even told me that, in two years, bitcoin would be dead.<p>So this is all strange to me.
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TangoTrotFoxalmost 7 years ago
Markets are constantly manipulated and what we consider acceptable or not seems at times quite arbitrary. For instance quantitative easing is a practice we engage in whose entire purpose is to artificially inflate the value of markets to help spur &#x27;growth.&#x27;<p>Is the problem that people may be trying to manipulate the price of decentralized commodity or that people are investing in a decentralized commodity without realizing that there may be people trying to manipulate it? I think there is a place for &#x27;hard regulations&#x27; but I think there is also a time when the focus should be more on information than trying to enforce national rules on a global scale. Even more so when those rules are likely to fall subject to all the failings of political systems including graft, corruption, and the like.
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