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Ask HN: Who has started a business because they couldn't get hired for work?

316 pointsby ccajasalmost 7 years ago
Many people start businesses for more financial independence, or simply want to be their own boss. How many of those started it out of a more dire need, from being unable to get hired anywhere and so needed to make money independently for themselves? Maybe from a pivot away from skills that are no longer in demand, or simply having trouble passing interviews due to a lack of a good network or bad soft skills.<p>It could be anyone from HN reading this, or just anybody else, who has shared their story somewhere about starting their business under these circumstances.<p>EDIT: I have years of experience as a software developer, but my inability to survive in the job market in the past three years has inspired me to make this topic. Either due to bad luck&#x2F;timing, or bad soft skills, I can&#x27;t get an offer anymore. So I&#x27;m considering other avenues to make a living.

57 comments

jedbergalmost 7 years ago
Be careful with your thinking here. If it really is bad soft skills that is keeping you from getting&#x2F;holding a job, then you&#x27;ll have a tough go at your own business. Running a business requires a lot more soft skills than getting a job, because you live and die by your sales, no matter how good your product is.<p>So just make sure that you have at least an idea of how you will get some sales that involve minimal interaction with other people.
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Mave83almost 7 years ago
Dude from Germany here. Without a proper school education I was unable to get a apprenticeship in an IT profession, although I started profesional coding with age of 11 and general IT with 6-7 years (~1989).<p>I ended up learning mechanics and after finishing my apprenticeship I founded my first company (~2000).<p>After 18 hard working years of entrepreneurship I managed to start and exited 2 successfull companies with 8 figures volume.<p>I can only suggest to start your own business if you are dedicated. Don&#x27;t think it is easy, or that you will have a lot of spare time. But I won&#x27;t miss a day of my journey so far. And yes, I don&#x27;t need to work anymore, but can&#x27;t stop!
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remypalmost 7 years ago
I’m reasonably certain I’ve interviewed you. Send me an email (in profile) and I’ll be happy to give honest feedback&#x2F;advice.<p>For that matter, I’m happy to provide advice to any programmers struggling to find work. Feel free to reach out.
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khitchdeealmost 7 years ago
Hi. I was in my 30s and holding a steady job as a programmer with big corporate. Then I decided to take a small sabbatical. Before I knew it, several years had passed and my savings were getting epleted. So I tried to get bck in the job market again, landed a job, but couldn&#x27;t clear their probration then landed another job and also couldn&#x27;t clear probation, then spent almost year without success looking for job. That&#x27;s when I decided to start my own business. It&#x27;s been almost a decade since then and I still haven&#x27;t made any money, but it sure beats being jobless or unwanted at a steady job.<p>An engineer&#x27;s career usually tapers off beyond a certain age. Risk taking therefore has to be reduced as your career options get narrower with seniority -- moral of the story.
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nikivialmost 7 years ago
I didn’t start a business but instead made an open source website as no one wanted to or still wants to hire me.<p>Funnily the website solves the problem of how to learn anything in the most effective way.<p>Website: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learn-anything.xyz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learn-anything.xyz</a>
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dsignalmost 7 years ago
I did, several years ago.<p>My soft skills are not top-notch, but they are not bad either, and my qualifications are good enough to get hired at good places ... not just where I currently live. Mostly a big adversarial blob of &quot;cultural matters&quot; ... let&#x27;s not dig onto that, but shortly put, locals feel uneasy around me.<p>Mind you, if I had tried hard enough, I could have gotten a dead-end-job with low pay and no promotions. Or I could have moved and looked for greener pastures. I decided instead to take my lemons and make lemonade, so to speak, and I opened a business.<p>The cultural problems didn&#x27;t go away, to this day some of our customers prefer to talk to my sales guy, even when they know they would solve their problem faster by just sending me an email directly. But I don&#x27;t mind having more time for the the ever growing technical team and technical customer-related work.<p>For brown guys in the north, jobs are overrated.
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mark212almost 7 years ago
Lawyer here. Opened my own practice after the 2008 collapse because no firms were hiring. Best decision I was ever forced to make.
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whitepoplaralmost 7 years ago
Brian Acton started WhatsApp with Jan Koum in part because Twitter and Facebook rejected him for a job. Facebook later bought WhatsApp for $16 billion dollars.
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ProfessorLaytonalmost 7 years ago
Yes, kind of. I helped my aging father pivot from manual labor to running his own contracting business. It was, and continues to be, a lot of work, but it was the <i>only</i> way my parents could continue to pay their bills (Especially here in the Bay Area).<p>There was a lot of learning when getting started, but the business is roughly a 10-person concern, and growing — all completely bootstrapped.<p>Edit:<p>More details on what it took to get started<p>- Studying the materials one needed know to get a contractor&#x27;s license<p>- Actually getting licensed<p>- Setting up an online presense<p>- Acquiring our first customers<p>- Earning a good reputation<p>- Incorporating, hiring, worker&#x27;s comp&#x2F;various insurances ($$$$)<p>One of the biggest ongoing challenges is competing with unlicensed contractors, and being able to hire enough skilled labor.
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ghostbrainalphaalmost 7 years ago
If I&#x27;m being super honest, I never would have started my first company (A Funded Startup, that had very significant revenue for 3-4 years) if I didn&#x27;t have IBS.<p>Once the company grew to the size that we needed a real office, my need to exit was at least partially influenced by IBS as well.<p>I could have gotten a job in a lot of different places, but I couldn&#x27;t handle the workplace environment because I needed to use the restroom more than 10 times per day. I also had accidents where I would need to change my pants at least once a week, and always carried spare clothes in my backpack. I still keep that habit, even though I&#x27;ve largely conquered the disease. It&#x27;s a weird PSD I kind of have.<p>Even today, I&#x27;d probably accept a 20% pay reduction for if a company would give me a private restroom connected to my office.
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excitednumberalmost 7 years ago
Not exactly what you are asking but, here&#x27;s my story:<p>I graduated in 2009 from a masters with a focus on financial engineering. At the time it was very hard to get a job doing what I want (let me emphasize this point - I could get a job but just not in what I wanted).<p>Eventually, I took a job to afford living in a major US city. Due to my frustration I began coding much more at home.<p>Fast forward to now, I have a few projects under my belt that are generating more cash than my day job. Additionally, the skills I acquired working on my personal projects absolutely helped me land my current job.<p>I have had my share of disappointments, successes and career frustrations along the way, but I get the most satisfaction out of the work I do on my own.
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banealmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve known a few people who&#x27;ve done this. I&#x27;ve also recommended to a couple people to do this when they&#x27;re having a hard time finding work.<p>Here&#x27;s the thing, most businesses don&#x27;t make it and many people in this position are trying to bootstrap something with virtually zero money. So you can use these circumstances to your advantage -- use the business as an investment vehicle to build you as a product so that you can sell yourself later on.<p>What this means is that you should take the time between filling out applications and wasting time in multi-day whiteboard interviews to start to build up a portfolio of what you can do. Start a blog, on some topic you find interesting, engage on twitter at least once a day. Write a couple simple but good looking web apps using cheap&#x2F;free tiers on hosting providers. Check some code into public code repos. If you manage to launch something live, contact the press email address on every major news site you can find -- a surprising number will put a short article up about your app -- which you can then also advertise on your site&#x2F;blog&#x2F;twitter feed.<p>All of this goes on your resume, except now you get to claim &quot;Founder&#x2F;CEO&quot; on your resume with stunning bullet points like:<p>- Led social media marketing strategy<p>- Designed web applications for &lt;insert vertical&gt;<p>Take screenshots of all this.<p>Use <i>this</i> work as part of your resume. In an interview it&#x27;s much better to claim &quot;I tried to start a company but I just couldn&#x27;t get it cash-flow positive, so now I&#x27;m back on the market.&quot; than to try to figure out how to work around a large resume gap that implies you&#x27;re unhireable.<p>This works because companies will see you as entrepreneurial and multifaceted, capable of career growth and tackling many different kinds of problems at various levels and making independent decisions. And the best part is that, as you do this, it will become TRUE!<p>- So the worst case is that you just build your resume for a while (instead of it accumulating jobless gaps) -- most people I know who&#x27;ve done this end up in better jobs than they expected after this exercise.<p>- Best case, your company takes off and you just built yourself a career -- I know 2 people who&#x27;ve managed to do this and ended up running pretty large enterprises.
erucialmost 7 years ago
Me! It was 2016, I was nearly broke from being on the receiving end of a copyright infringement lawsuit, and nobody would hire me. So, I hired myself and started a new company which pays my salary today. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiehackers.com&#x2F;interview&#x2F;6249ac6f67" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiehackers.com&#x2F;interview&#x2F;6249ac6f67</a>
mettamagealmost 7 years ago
Interviewed for 3 jobs. 1 rejected me for being too broad, 1 rejected me for not being reliable diring the interview (despite good track record and refs), 1 rejected me because they only wanted to hire cheap(ish) devs (2000 - 2500 euro per month).<p>It was my first round to see the world after graduation. Note: I worked on serious jobs during my studies, no internships, actual jobs.<p>Will start my serious round soon. If no one wants me for what I think I am worth&#x2F;can offer, then I will start on my own too. I chose this profession partially because of this ‘power’.
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ConcernedCoderalmost 7 years ago
It may not be bad luck&#x2F;time or bad soft skills, in my experience, as soon as you hit 50 in the United States, you&#x27;re no longer a good &quot;culture fit&quot; in a majority of software development roles. It&#x27;s my understanding that in places like China, the cut-off age is closer to 30-35 which sounds terrible if true.
justaaronalmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;m rather tired of drone-like hiring practices involving flunkies trying to stump you with questions about topics you might have written the book upon... (not that I&#x27;m anywhere near Ken, but the general picture should suffice) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2010&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;ken_thompson_take_our_test&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2010&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;ken_thompson_take_o...</a>
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BartBochalmost 7 years ago
I am a self-taught developer and marketer.<p>I owned (no partners) a marketing business that grew to 85 contractors and employees.<p>I have worked on dozens of huge development projects where I was a Senior Developer or Project Lead.<p>I have worked for multiple Fortune 500 companies.<p>More than 10 years of experience in marketing and business.<p>Around 10 years of experience in development.<p>I am unemployable really.<p>Why?<p>No formal education (I have just Highschool diploma). NDA signed for 99% of my projects (I can&#x27;t even mention some of the companies I worked for). Got trapped in the referral loop, where I get referred, take a job, sign an NDA and so on. The only way for me to monetize my experience is to do contractor jobs through referrals and sometimes through freelancing sites, where rules are more relaxed.<p>Working on building my portfolio using side projects at the moment and creating a blog to break that loop.
lfowlesalmost 7 years ago
Yep, left my job 8 months ago and had several promising interviews since but nothing has come of them. Recently decided to take time to polish games I prototyped during this period. To be quite honest I was also getting tired of essentially &quot;studying for finals&quot; before each interview. Thankfully (but probably also hurting my job search in general...) I&#x27;m in a low CoL area.
karlkatzkealmost 7 years ago
I did. I had three years experience as a software developer (full stack, but it was 2004, so it wasn’t a big stack) and leveraged an active consulting business that I would do after hours into a full time thing where I made enough to pay another employee and myself.<p>The problem is that I’m a shit manager. I’m a shit business manager, I’m a shit sales manager, and I’m a shit engineering manager. So, the company didn’t do well. But at least I learned that I shouldn’t be in charge of people!
Clubberalmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve heard of several small businesses run by people who couldn&#x27;t get a meaningful job because of prior convictions; typically drugs.
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maerF0x0almost 7 years ago
Once upon a time I started doing consulting because I was tired of being laid off. Had work in like 2 days because I was already part time on upwork . Nice the former employer paid me like 2 months severance :D
wolfspideralmost 7 years ago
Well I guess this fits under the same category...I’m currently rebooting my family’s business. My father retired but has been minimally keeping alive the LLC he founded when he lost his job. As a family we all sat down at a table, argued a bunch, and agreed to help him start it. My sister and I were great free labor as teens but unfortunately doing videography didn’t pay all the bills so my father went back to work until retiring as a webmaster for our local university. I studied business until I couldn’t afford it while working IT jobs which turned into development and then project leader. The lack of jobs here in NCFL made gov a nice fit eventually. Prior to that I worked in game development, television broadcast, and fintech fields all with concentration in dev. Companies I got to work with included CNN, Fox, Univision, Epic Megagames, Psyonix, Wells Fargo and a whole lot more. I went to my father asking if I could do something with that business he kept registered- he wanted to hear a business plan surprisingly he was no push over on this. It was difficult but he agreed so now off I go. The new pivot is really in stealth mode I think I’ll just say this will now become a “media” company. I don’t look like a typical developer I’m a pretty salt of the earth guy- people in my town think I’m a laborer or delivery guy. That doesn’t help get me hired. I’m also getting up there in years but gov provides the steady income for me to get started and so far it’s been going great. Along the way I’m open sourcing tools and getting a lot of support that way- if I can help someone out we get some good R&amp;D in return. So to summarize- lack of jobs in the area and lack of formal CS education that would be my reason. I love my dad he taught me everything it all started with a C64 we got at a garage sale. I was 8 years old and have been programming ever since. Technically speaking I’m a co-founder! So is my sister who moved to Paris to do IP law. It’s all coming together now and feels great.
jschwartzialmost 7 years ago
Sometimes it&#x27;s not you who has the bad soft skills. The last company I was with versus the company I&#x27;m with now are like night and day in terms of how we communicate. I work remotely and my boss actually reads what I write, comments on it, and is able to tell me when I need to do something without belittling me about not having it done already.
Alex3917almost 7 years ago
&gt; from being unable to get hired anywhere and so needed to make money independently for themselves?<p>Lots of immigrants. There are tons of folks with Ph.D.s or who were doctors or lawyers in your own country, but in the U.S. the best job they could get was bagging groceries.
gregoriolalmost 7 years ago
It&#x27;s not that I couldn&#x27;t get hired, more like I couldn&#x27;t find the right thing at that time, the kind of job I would want to invest myself into. I did talk with many people back then, many people wanted to hire me, I even tried one of them for some time, but left after a month.<p>So, from talks to ideas, I started 2 projects with a few people, and these are working quite well now. It wasn&#x27;t planned, it wasn&#x27;t something I thought I wanted. We tried, we built things, slowly, step by step, without a grand plan, and... it works out very well!<p>I wouldn&#x27;t advise to go alone though: talk to your former colleagues, friends, ... find some people to work with! Apart from that, go for it, try!
CamelCaseNamealmost 7 years ago
I didn&#x27;t graduate because I couldn&#x27;t bring myself to go to classes I had no interest in.<p>No degree put me in a rough position. My resume claimed that I had graduated, but I had not. While I did get offers, whenever I shared that I failed out of fourth year, my offer was rescinded.<p>Not wanting to work for someone unethically, I went into business for myself about 10 months ago and am doing quite well, more than I would have earned in my first year of work at another company.<p>I would certainly have preferred the stability of a full time job while moonlighting, but either way I feel like long term success is still on the table. (Which wasn&#x27;t the case 10 months ago)<p>If you&#x27;re failing, get help. You are not alone.
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DataDisciplealmost 7 years ago
I know a few who have, but its not ideal. I think if you already have businesses that you are attracted to and the risk&#x2F;reward for starting that business becomes greater than the risk&#x2F;reward of what your job prospects are then it needs to be explored. The challenge is that most investors can easily sniff out someone who is starting this biz because they can&#x27;t get a job, and that isn&#x27;t a pattern they typically fund.<p>I think a good mix is to start working on the business while continuing to look for a new job. Then if you get traction, you will likely have a better story to sell. It also helps you minimize your risk on the business.
everdevalmost 7 years ago
I was looking for a job in 2008, unfortunately right during the stock market crash. I would go and interview for jobs and then get a call back saying that hiring was freezing as the national financial markets continued to spiral downwards.<p>Fortunately, companies still needed their websites maintained and I opened up shop for myself below agency rates and above freelancing rates in the hopes of building my own agency.<p>It worked and multiple clients signed on looking to save money and I was able to build and grow a team as a result, eventually working up to market rates as the economy improved.
davidhopperalmost 7 years ago
As someone who runs a company coaching software engineers on landing employment, I&#x27;ve worked with a number of engineers who have gone down the path of running their own business or consultancy for sometime before deciding to turn towards employment in a larger corporation. Personally, I&#x27;ve found many of these engineers to have some of the most interesting and compelling stories and projects to add to their resume and speak to while interviewing, and in that sense believe that coming from having your own business can add greatly to being successful in the job search. That said, I do not think that is the only path towards landing a job, and in this case especially if you already have experience as a software developer.<p>In my opinion reflection is key to understanding where roadblocks lie in terms of why one is not finding employment, even more so as most companies almost universally do not provide feedback (another topic...). In terms of &quot;not surviving&quot; in the job market, I&#x27;d ask where are you running into roadblocks, is it getting interviews, moving past recruiters, the technical screens, onsites, and within those categories diving more into why those opportunities did not materialize and what potential actions led to those outcomes. Would be happy to connect (email is in profile) and learn more, and you can see a bit of what we do at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;outco.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;outco.io</a>
a_imhoalmost 7 years ago
Skills are overrated in interviews, you need to get lucky, it is increasingly a numbers game.
ahmetyas01almost 7 years ago
I came to the US to study and IT job opportunities in 2001. The IT market has collapsed. I started my online business with $100 and turned to $50m in 5 years. Boom.
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pjmorrisalmost 7 years ago
I unintentionally backed my way into my own business. Back during the dot com bust, the large consultancy I worked for went bust, and I went back to the small consultancy I&#x27;d previously worked for. Then, after 9&#x2F;11, they went bust. The economy was in rough shape, and I was only getting interviews for junior positions. Meanwhile, friends were calling to say &#x27;Could you come do this gig for a month or two?&#x27; Having plenty of free time, I read up on how to start and run a business (Nolo Press is a great resource), set up an LLC, printed business cards, worked hard at the gigs I got, and kept my ear to the ground for new ones. I&#x27;d kept good relations with my previous bosses and co-workers, and wound up working for five years running my own little consulting shop (That might be my suggestion: keep up with your old bosses and co-workers, and see if they&#x27;re aware of any suitable opportunities).<p>Life circumstances changed, and it made sense to go back to work for somebody, eventually, but I found the experience, and the confidence it built, to be invaluable.
lgreggalmost 7 years ago
I ended up out of school working in a field and role I wasn&#x27;t happy with, so after saving half of my salary for a year and a few months, then I resigned. I started a marketing agency with two friends, we had the business model down but two of us were not good at sales and the one that was had a life issue occur and left. We were cash flow positive the whole time just not enough to support my two friends as I wiped out my savings. We all learned a ton though. Around a year after, I did a career switch to SWD and am currently retraining.<p>I would do it again if I had an idea that legitimately solved a problem. We created a marketing agency knowing how to run things as ICs but not as owners. I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;d want to sell a consulting service again but maybe another type of business. I&#x27;ve always been interested in WISPs and Real Estate, so maybe something in those areas.
WarOnPrivacyalmost 7 years ago
The org handling my scholarship &amp; job placement were defunded just before I graduated in 1996.<p>This job market here was already one that won&#x27;t hire w&#x2F;o a personal into. The only way a coder w&#x2F;o experience + buddies in HR was getting hired was thru blackmail or ransom.<p>I knew how to do basic hardware &amp; some networking so got a biz license &amp; biz cards and chatted up everyone I could find for 3 years. I went door to door to every business in town. None of them hired me but there would be other people around who thought it was novel that I was marketing like it was 1955. Those people intro&#x27;d me to people they knew &amp; that got me established.<p>The 2008 crash sinkholed my clients (car dealers). I started over with med providers but by 2010 the ACA sinkholed my new clients.<p>I finally started writing some code 5 years ago to build blocklists for custom firewalls.
bryanrasmussenalmost 7 years ago
Me. Basically I have been programming long enough and perhaps with a varied enough CV and varied enough skills and some major accomplishments mixed among just normal stuff that I do not seem to get hired as an employee anymore but people are very happy to hire me as a consultant (which I make more money at mostly)<p>I remember there were several interviews where people suggested I would want to do more than they wanted me to do, one example: that I would not be happy just doing frontend development and they were worried I would go fix issues in ElasticSearch, and I asked &quot;well of course I will do what I&#x27;m hired to, but why wouldn&#x27;t you want me to go fix issues in ElasticSearch if I&#x27;m caught up on my frontend tickets?&quot;<p>That was probably not a good thing to say, because I didn&#x27;t get that job.
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rodolphoarrudaalmost 7 years ago
Yes, sales is important, but don&#x27;t forget about marketing, which comes first. I have lost my job in the 2008 crisis and couldn&#x27;t get employed back. I decided to start my own business with other folks who were laid off as well. Marketing was key for us to open doors and put us in front of the prospective customers. We ran the business for 5 years until we decided to get back to regular jobs, have kids etc.<p>So if you are thinking on starting your own business, reserve some time to discuss marketing fundamentals: what your product&#x2F;service is; pricing options and negotiation guidelines, target markets, customer profiles, niches; advertising (which I think grew exponentially complex these days).<p>Sales will tend to flow well once you have marketing sorted out. It will be the cherry on the top, the Showtime.
s3nnyyalmost 7 years ago
I started <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;coderfit.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;coderfit.com</a>, a tech recruitment agency in Zurich, Switzerland while being employed as a coder. I just wasn&#x27;t a very good developer and saw that I won&#x27;t perform in this job as good as other people.<p>Tech recruitment was&#x2F;is a domain with a small barrier to entry and where I could use both my tech skills (knowing what programmers like&#x2F;want) and &quot;sales&quot; skills, helping companies and developers present themselves better to the &quot;counterparty&quot;. Now, I am building a jobboard (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobs.coderfit.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobs.coderfit.com</a>) that complements my tech recruitment agency activity.
mgbmtlalmost 7 years ago
If you suspect that you have bad soft skills, try to find 2-3 people who are comfortable with them. I find it easier to work with 2-3 clients than to deal with teams. If your jurisdiction makes it easy, start by freelancing, incorporate later, if you need it (I didn&#x27;t need to finally, until I wanted to work with a small team; Quebec&#x2F;Canadian law is very freelance-friendly).<p>In the field I work, we mostly joke that we are a bunch of unemployable people. We like being our own bosses, working in small teams. I formed a worker&#x27;s co-op with a few ex-colleagues and I&#x27;m happy with it. We also federate loosely with other companies in our field (around the FOSS project that we provide support for).
nickfromseattlealmost 7 years ago
I did.<p>Despite loving to learn, and spending a lot of time self learning, I never excelled in school. I skated by in High school, but my parents weren&#x27;t pumped about paying for me to fail through college.<p>I dropped out Junior year to teach English in Brazil.<p>After I got back I realized I&#x27;m a college dropout, with a work experience in manual labor &amp; restaurants, and I knew no one would hire me to do the things I wanted to learn.<p>So I started a company on an idea I was passionate about.<p>I told myself from day 1, whether the venture was successful or not, I was going to learn the skills and meet the people to do whatever I wanted to do next.<p>The venture was not successful, and I did meet the people and learn the skills to do whatever I wanted to do after, and it lead great places.
Naomarikalmost 7 years ago
This is almost me. I wouldn&#x27;t be where I am if I got hired from specific companies I applied to. I found it impossible to get a job I wanted before I learned programming.<p>Triplebyte denied me in a phone screening and at that time I had just read all Paul Graham&#x27;s essays and would have sacrificed a lot to move back to USA and work for a YC startup.<p>At this point I&#x27;m very happy things turned out the way they did. One thing I will never miss is having my life controlled by an alarm clock.
_sdegutisalmost 7 years ago
I’m kind of at this point right now.
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leovanderalmost 7 years ago
Give Dave and Jamison a listen to on Soft Skills Engineering[0]. They are great to listen to and their episodes are driven by their listener&#x27;s questions.<p>Most of their immediate responses are go get a new job if you are unhappy with your current position, but that is more of them being entertaining, but I guess a truthful answer in most of the scenarios they are presented with.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;softskills.audio&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;softskills.audio&#x2F;</a>
j0hnnyF1vealmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;m interested in seeing where this discussion goes, I&#x27;m in a similar position and will have to consider different options and paths beyond the normal job path.
loudandskittishalmost 7 years ago
I work on a freelance basis pretty much due to my inability to &quot;play the game.&quot; My poor &quot;soft skills&quot; don&#x27;t seem to be bother my clients much.
jetaialmost 7 years ago
I&#x27;ve ran into the issue of only being able to be hired by Startups, this is both good because I like the environment and bad because there&#x27;s never enough need for my skills in business development, marketing, and professional-level creative, legal, and business writing.<p>This means I eventually get replaced and scramble for another job. I&#x27;d like to start my own thing but it doesn&#x27;t feel viable sometimes, seeing as I&#x27;m not a developer.
matchagauchoalmost 7 years ago
First... people with bad <i>soft skills</i> don&#x27;t have the ability to self-reflect and admit it, as you have. Give yourself some credit.<p>Second... the dire circumstance means any entrepreneurial venture will only be successful if you have the humility to work on problems the clients don&#x27;t want to do.<p>I would suggest poking around on Upwork, Fiverr, or other gig economy sites and experiment with some short-term engagements.
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tluyben2almost 7 years ago
I started two small software companies before uni because no one would hire me; note that those were very different times (80s-early 90s); now people would have hired me. Both companies still exist and both are still profitable. I have never had ‘a job’ in my life, so you can say the experience was a positive one.
joelrunyonalmost 7 years ago
I graduated in 2009 and couldn&#x27;t get a job due to the recession (and me having a poor understanding that &quot;graduating&quot; was not all employers were looking for).<p>I ended up doing what I now would call an &quot;apprenticeship&quot; and then eventually turning that into a job and then my own business.
chad_strategicalmost 7 years ago
This post is literary the story of my life...<p>After 20 years in the Marine Corps, I don&#x27;t have the &quot;polish&quot; to work in corporate world and need the intensity of a start up or my own business.<p>My frustrations, probably started here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;you-cant-have-more-than-10-years-of-experience-on-rails&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;you-cant-have-more-...</a><p>In that time, I have had numerous run ins with trying to find job in the FinTech and Tech.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;how-do-you-get-a-job-in-algorithmic-trading&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;how-do-you-get-a-jo...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15551623" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15551623</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;the-best-or-worst-way-to-decline-a-technical-interview&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;the-best-or-worst-w...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9107657" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9107657</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;best-cover-letter-ever-or-worst-cover-letter-ever&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;best-cover-letter-e...</a><p>With all that said... I think that I have finally come to terms with the fact I&#x27;m not corporate guy and ageism seems to be running rampant in the tech field. If I&#x27;m going survive over the long term, I&#x27;m going to have to carve out a space for myself. About a month ago, recommitted myself to a strategy of carving out a space for myself in the FinTech space or working in some form of start up that I have a stake in, immediately I feel a &quot;H E double hockey sticks&quot; better about my career future. Soon after I wrote this educational &#x2F; semi self promotional piece, I picked up some side work in the next week. Side work in this case, is step in the right direction and eases the pain of my minding numbing, over paid programming job. (but I&#x27;m grateful to have a job, cause there are times I haven&#x27;t and being unemployed is a horrible burden.)<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;the-best-and-worst-stock-and-option-trading-apis&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.strategic-options.com&#x2F;insight&#x2F;the-best-and-worst-...</a>
nijynotalmost 7 years ago
Jack Ma.
Jemmehalmost 7 years ago
Thing is most businesses take time to build. If you&#x27;re in &quot;dire need&quot;, like really about to starve, you probably would take a job you might even be overqualified for.
jason_slackalmost 7 years ago
I am considering starting a business right now to fill a gap in the insurance industry. The company I worked for just wont step up so I put in 2 weeks notice.
j45almost 7 years ago
Many immigrants become entrepreneurs because there is no place for them among average joes.
fapjacksalmost 7 years ago
I did, twice, and I&#x27;m about to go on a third run (though this time it&#x27;s not because of any particular run of back luck with the job market). I have a weird-looking resume that doesn&#x27;t look quite right at first blush, and most of the hiring decisions that brought me on board I later found out were someone &quot;taking a chance&quot; on me. I was in the Guard for many years, and deployed a lot (<i>a lot</i>). Even though it&#x27;s against the law, startups just don&#x27;t have the resources to give up a team member and save their spot while they deploy. I actually completely grok this. But for most of my adult life, it looks like I&#x27;ve jumped from job to job with weird breaks in between, which is a huge red flag. I&#x27;m actually pretty good at what I do, if you&#x27;ll pardon me for saying so, and so I have a pretty good network to lean on <i>now</i>, but throughout my 20s I didn&#x27;t truly understand the power of one&#x27;s network and so didn&#x27;t cultivate relationships that I should have. No problem, life lesson. We aren&#x27;t all jumping out of our mother&#x27;s womb in full armor swinging a chain.<p>Anyway, I have had both success and failure when I started my own businesses. The first time was a failure, but I saw it at the time as a success, because I had to make rent, and it paid the rent. I literally sat there with a notepad thinking of things I could do in less than 60 days to make rent. Incidentally, I have always paid rent one month ahead of time. It&#x27;s just something I started doing by chance when I was 16, and it turned out to be the difference between having a place to sleep and living in my car or out on the street.<p>Anyway, that paid the rent but wasn&#x27;t sustainable. Everything was wrong with it, since I thought I was smarter than everyone hah! But that was another life lesson, that the world is full of way smarter people, and history even fuller. The second time I started a business I was much older, late-20s, and by then had worked at a bunch of startups and a network full of sensors (the army says &quot;every soldier is a sensor&quot; and likewise your friends and professional network are like your sensors) and also had been taking notes the entire time. I still take notes every day on the things I learn, the decisions I make, or people around me are making and why, if I can discern it, or if they&#x27;ll tell me when I ask (another life lesson about taking notes). That time I consider it a success, because the people I started the business with are still running it today, and I was able to sell out of my share of the business. I went back into working at startups (because that&#x27;s where the action is yolo), and now I&#x27;m feeling the itch <i>really</i> badly. This time around I&#x27;ve got solid business partners &#x2F; cofounders on board, and few &quot;green leaderbooks&quot; full of notes and ideas (another army thing) and a couple servers full of prototyped side projects. I&#x27;ve got enough saved to bootstrap whatever we do and most importantly, as a lifelong transient with wanderlust, I feel that same comfortable feeling of &quot;going places and doing things and taking risks&quot; that won&#x27;t let me put down roots in one place for too long. Sorry for all the text, but that&#x27;s my story.
anoncoward111almost 7 years ago
Sales engineer here. I tried to start a variety of businesses when I was laid off from my last job, where I lasted for 4 years.<p>I tried to get clients for my life coaching biz (budget, brain, and brawns as I called it). Got some traction at just 7 bux a month (I was living in Chile), but not enough once I moved back to NY.<p>I also tried to test product market fit for a site i was developing (a curated list of multi-month foreign apartment leases), but that was too expensive for me to scale.<p>Ultimately, making a prototype and getting some users wasnt even the hardest part. It was trying to grow past that base and make the unit economics work that was impossible, maybe even with outside funding.<p>After one year of job hunting, I found another sales engineering position that Im happy with :)
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stealthmodeclanalmost 7 years ago
One of my friends who is a successful entrepreneur (bootstrapped, high double digit million yearly revenue) now recals that he never managed to find a job because he looks arogant.<p>He also lacks apathy. (I think it&#x27;s some medical condition and not something sinster).<p>He is very honest and trustworthy but sometimes he ends up insulting us like Linus. But he is also super talented, so we ignore his cons as limitations beyond his control.<p>Currently, he is GP of our VC fund. He is lot better!<p>So he had no choice but to bootstrap his own company.
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spidfire22almost 7 years ago
Elon musk did
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