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Does inequality cause suicide, drug abuse and mental illness?

37 pointsby ceolinalmost 7 years ago

7 comments

pmoriartyalmost 7 years ago
This is a very materialistic culture. All around us the story is told that to be successful and live life to the fullest you have to make a lot of money, own expensive things, the latest gadgets, sports cars, mansions, be surrounded by beautiful men&#x2F;women on your own yacht, etc. Few would deny that people with such material success &quot;have it made&quot; or are &quot;living the life&quot;.<p>That&#x27;s what many people&#x27;s whole lives are focused around. Their families often pressure them to be (or at least dream of their being) rich doctors or lawyers (or, more recently, tech billionaires), etc.<p>If you don&#x27;t make it in these material ways, for whatever reason, you&#x27;re often viewed as a failure, as a loser, still living in mom&#x27;s basement, and so on. You might be working at a shitty job, making very little money, being treated like crap or a replaceable cog, unlikely to ever afford to retire, watching your family (who are also poor) be bankrupted by medical bills or not being able to afford the medical treatement and care they need as they grow older.<p>None of this is likely to help your self-esteem, it might even make you depressed (surprise!), and when you run in to psychological or physical difficulties from your decades of working at a no-future job and being treated like crap while others in the media or in rich areas of town are sipping cocktails or going vacationing in exotic locales while you continue to sweat it out at the factory or the call center or the online retail warehouse where you&#x27;re even penalized for taking bathroom breaks and can&#x27;t afford to go on vaction (if you get any), you might feel like you&#x27;re on an endless treadmill and you might actually start to have trouble coping. Imagine that.
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everdevalmost 7 years ago
Rarely does X cause Y in all but the simplest of mechanical processes. Rather X is a contributing factor to Y, when conditions A, B or C are present.<p>I&#x27;m sure inequality boosts suicide rates when depression, fear of the future (going to jail, an embarrassing truth coming out, etc.) or emotional distress&#x2F;trauma are present.
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gallerdudealmost 7 years ago
I heard an interesting argument that we shouldn&#x27;t focus on inequality, we should focus on poverty instead.<p>Inequality is something easy to get people mad about (something something CEOs make 300x more), but the real issue that people are worried about is poverty.
TangoTrotFoxalmost 7 years ago
The thing I find bemusing about works like this is that rarely is any effort made to even see how consistently, or even if, a hypothesis holds up in other nations. Instead it seems like the idea is to take the inequality in the US, find a negative issue in the US, and suggest a link. That&#x27;s awful science. So for instance here are two relevant lists.<p>[1] List of nations by income equality.<p>[2] List of nations by suicide rate.<p>There are approximately 180 nations ranked in each. What immediately came to mind here is South America. They have absolutely raging inequality, but also negligible suicide rates.<p>---<p>#11 income inequality Brazil #135 suicide rate<p>#12 income inequality Columbia #135 suicide rate (tied with Brazil)<p>#13 income inequality Panama #142 suicide rate<p>#16 income inequality Honduras #155 suicide rate<p>#17 income inequality Guatemala #174 suicide rate<p>That alone looks quite damning of any attempt to link income inequality to suicide. In fact South America in particular shows a very strong link between high income inequality and low suicide rates! For completeness, these are the top 5 nations in income inequality and their suicide rates:<p>---<p>#1 income inequality South Africa #54 suicide rate<p>#2 income inequality Namibia #87 suicide rate<p>#3 income inequality Haiti #67 suicide rate<p>#4 income inequality Botswana #48 suicide rate<p>#5 income inequality Suriname #6 suicide rate<p>---<p>One thing I would add on the suicide rates for the top is this [3]. That&#x27;s a list of nations by AIDS&#x2F;HIV prevalence. South Africa is #4. Namibia is #5. Haiti #24. Botswana is #3, Suriname #35. That&#x27;s more than a slight confounding variable! Perhaps income inequality causes AIDS! Of course that&#x27;s a tasteless joke, but the point is the absurdity of correlations.<p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_income_equality" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_income_eq...</a><p>[2] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...</a><p>[3] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_HIV&#x2F;AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_HIV&#x2F;AIDS_...</a>
adamnemecekalmost 7 years ago
It also temporarily reduces IQ. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;science&#x2F;poverty-intelligence-aging-brain-low-income-inequality-a7333506.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;science&#x2F;poverty-intellige...</a>
dominotwalmost 7 years ago
I read somewhere that people who have sex regularly don&#x27;t commit suicide. Not sure if it&#x27;s actually true though. Would be interesting to see if this obvious intuition is true. Ofcourse it&#x27;s a chicken and egg problem that depressed ppl don&#x27;t want to have sex.
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jdcalmost 7 years ago
Could this condition be caused by chronic covetousness?
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